<p>I never saw any cheating, though it would have been possible.</p>
<p>There are like three or four high schools in my area that specifically travel to this one local high school to take the SAT, because it’s the only one on our side of town that offers it. Anyways, the proctors would have only know the IDs of the kids in the high school, they wouldn’t have known them of the other schools.</p>
<p>As I recall, the proctors didn’t really walk around either, but you couldn’t look onto another person’s test.</p>
<p>Whenever we took breaks, we were allowed to go outside and no one came with us. I don’t remember hearing anyone discuss the answers, though they could have.</p>
<p>…I don’t think the SAT or ACT are fair indicators. I know international students who barely have a handle of the English language, and their essays are marked higher than most of the American students I know, including myself. I’ve always made A’s in English and had good grades on essays, and I only ever got a 6 or 7 on the SAT essays. My score also once dropped on the writing section from a 580 to a 500… That really shouldn’t happen in a section such as the essay.</p>
<p>EDIT: This does remind me how my sophomore math teacher got fired for teaching students how to cheat on the SAT… He wouldn’t show students how to do it until the end of the spring semester, because he didn’t want them cheating in his class. He also went around during exams checking our individual calculators to make sure that we didn’t have any special programs or notes.</p>
<p>123…How exactly would a math teacher teach students to cheat??? Unless he is handing out copies of the test, I don’t see what he could be telling them. As I recall when I took the test, there are breaks AFTER parts of the test were over. Comparing notes on what was on a part of the test that has concluded isn’t cheating since you can’t go back and do it over. Proctors DID walk around and make sure that nothing obvious was going one, I can’t speak to what ‘the majority’ of test sites do, doubt that anyone can.</p>
<p>If someone is thinking about cheating by pretending to be someone else, I think that is a terrible idea for both of you. Neither of you would be considered as good college candidates if you get convicted of fraud while still in h.s…also what would you possibly gain by doing that???</p>
<p>^Gain? Money. People pay big bucks for scores that they need, but can’t get themselves.</p>
<p>And the math teacher was teaching people how to put certain programs in their calculator to help them in the math section. It was apparently against the Collegeboard’s rules, but he said that proctors wouldn’t actually check your calculator, so you could easily get away with it.</p>
<p>It really depends on what you think of cheating. A lot of people wouldn’t consider that cheating, because you’re allowed to use a calculator in the math sections. That being said, our math teacher was saying how using certain programs and functions was against the College Board’s policy, so therefore, it was cheating. I don’t really know the logistics of it. He never got to teach my class any of it.</p>
<p>In the latest SAT that I took, the proctor somehow stopped us 5 minutes before the end of the section or something. The next scheduled thing was a break. During the break he realised what he had done so he let us have 6 extra minutes to do the previous section AFTER the break. People were chatting during the break. Don’t know if anyone cheated or not. I just used the extra five minutes to sleep. :)</p>
<p>But CB’s website allows you to download programs for your calculator for the test straight off of their website (for a fee). So math programs are actually allowed. I don’t know why they’d fire a teacher over it.</p>
<p>The commonest form of cheating that I have heard of is schools and pre programs getting their hands on that years exams (the college board claims that never happens, but it does, there is a lot of money on the black market for those exams, wouldn’t surprise me if hackers breached ETS’s systems, for example). While a student could not be expected to memorize all the answers (though in theory they could, with the multiple choice section, have each answer in each section in the calculator, so for example 1/1/1/a being part1, section1, problem 1 is a…) if a test prep program has them doing actual tests for that year, the student will be pretty familiarized with the test and will almost assuredly do better; even though tests vary, it still would give them a leg up, recognizing the questions and if not memorizing the answer, remembering how to do it). By having exams, it would also weed out what they don’t have to worry about. Likewise, with the essays, a teacher could give them the outlines of the exact question and how to answer it…</p>
<p>I don’t know how many variations of the SAT/ACT are active in a given year, but I would bet they have a lot of common content. I haven’t heard directly of incidents of the actual test being used, but given the hysteria over the SAT, the prominence placed on scores, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if black market tests aren’t out there.</p>
<p>Honestly, I used to cheat on middle school tests but I stopped because I’d feel guilty when I’d get an A on a test I barely studied for while my friends who chose not to cheat and studied really hard for the test would get B’s. Having an unfair advantage over people who try and are too honest to cheat is my biggest reason not to do so.</p>
<p>As long as the calculator is acceptable, there is no restriction on what you put in the memory of it: formulas, dictionaries, etc. It certainly isn’t wrong for a teacher to suggest programs to put into memory. (Whether this type of thing is useful or not is a different matter.)</p>
<p>I proctored a couple of SAT tests years ago; I like to think nobody cheated in my room. I agree that conscientious proctors will cut down to close to nil casual cheating, and possibly fake ID cheating too if the CB cared to educate.</p>
<p>It may be helpful to ask students to grade their proctors at the end of the test, since it would be an unusual site where most of the students were not honest. Vetted proctors could be paid more, and be allowed to recommend new hires.</p>
<p>^^^
yes webass, life is not fair. this is why you are going to the university of arkansas, quite possibly one of the most unappealing and worst universities in the united states, LOL</p>
<p>I usually go to a local private university for all my SAT shindigs. The proctors there are college students who work on their term papers and Facebook while we take our SAT. During break, you can walk out of the room with your bag to go to the bathroom and look things up on your phone. Although, when I realized this was possible, I knew my sense of morality would be comprised if I did so, so I didn’t. It’s definitely possible, though.</p>
<p>I just took the GRE yesterday. They definitely do NOT allow any funny business like this. You have to empty your pockets before and after you leave the testing room (which is behind glass). You also have to sign in and out each time you leave. The guy had me sign my name 3 times because my signature no longer matched my driver’s license from 7 years ago. Oh yeah, and they don’t allow you to bring in liquids more than 3oz. :P</p>
<p>most common form of cheating is discussing answers during breaks then going back sections to change them…it’s very hard for proctors to be on the look-out for this for 4 hours of boring testing.</p>
<p>I imagine it would be pretty easy to look up the definitions to words while you’re in the bathroom during break…</p>
<p>I’m actually surprised at how frequently kids offer money to other people to take the SAT for them o.O
It doesn’t happen at my school, the worst that happens (which is still pretty bad) is that some kid gets paid to write an essay for another kid</p>
<p>IMO the math section’s easy enough that nobody should actually require cheating. Having a calculator’s almost as good as asking the question online or something like that</p>
<p>Not sure how you’d look up answers to writing section questions though</p>
<p>But like why are we talking about this? You shouldn’t cheat, and those who cheat should be banned from taking the test again</p>
<p>You’re right. You should feel bad. How would you feel if you were in his place? If you went up to someone and asked them for this favor and they threw it back in your face… how would you feel? We all lie, cheat and deceive. People need to stop walking around pretending they’re the most honest thing ever. We have all at least lied, cheated , backstabbed etc… at least once in our lives and yet we somehow managed not to feel so guilty and eventually forgot about it. One day you’ll get a taste of your own medicine. Just wait until YOU’RE the one who needs help. As for the jerk who replied to you (nobody 777) he doesn’t know for a FACT that the guy who asked you for this won’t succeed in getting good grades at his dream university. Neither you nor him knows that. Of course I don’t either but some people do well in school and not on standardized tests. Not everyone can get a good score. You’re a horrible person. I don’t support cheating but on standardized test, if the student wants to cheat then yes he can. All those “tests” are discriminating. I know 4 students who have a 3.9 and a 4.0 gpa in university who scored so low on the SAT’s (got 1,100 and 1,200). One of these girls ended up re doing the SAT’s for 3 years. Put yourself in his place. How would you feel if you didn’t end up going to your dream university?</p>
<p>Hey ElenaCh… I thought I’d let you know that I completely agree with you. I mean who cares if your school inflates grades like crazy so that a 1100 corresponds to a 4.0, and who really cares that grades don’t have as much to do with the test as does ones innate reasoning abilities?</p>
<p>I agree, everyone who is immoral (and by your brilliant assumption that is everyone) should forsake any scarce traces of morality to just cheat to get ahead. And also, while we’re at it, I concur on the fact that your friends–who were getting 1100s–deserve a 1500+ because they have the money to pay for it. Hey, my buddy doesn’t have the money to pay 500 bucks for a guy to come and cheat for him. I told him you wouldn’t mind if he comes and beats you up for some quick cash–to go cheat, of course–because you’re all about that “equality”.</p>
<p>So buddy, if you haven’t figured it out yet, I was being sarcastic. The harsh reality of it all is your friend probably doesn’t deserve a 1600, however hard he worked, as it would void the meaning of that score. </p>
<p>As for the ■■■■■ attempt? 6/10–too obvious. No one’s that dumb.</p>
<p>Oh, I also never mentioned that they deserve a 1500 or above. I’m just saying that the SAT’s and other standardized tests are overrated because you honestly cannot judge people by their SAT scores because some people fail horribly in school yet somehow manage to get a 1400 + so they get accepted into a very good university. Like I said to the other guy, stop expecting people to kiss your ass. Not everyone is going to agree with you. I was replying to two people (which are neither of you) it’s none of your business anyways. You just felt the need to interfere because you think your “opinion” matters. It doesn’t. I just registered here to reply back to those other people. Go on living like your the most honourable person that has ever walked the earth.</p>