<p>^^Yes, I was referring to the USNEWS ranking based-logic.</p>
<p>BTW, Ken, I think Cornell’s campus is quite appealing!!! LOL It has beautiful architecture, rolling hills and nestled in the Fingerlakes! I don’t think it is appealing however in winter!</p>
<p>I have this idea of life being very easy for you in NYC if you go to Columbia.</p>
<p>Kinda like Stanford and Cali or Rice and Houston.</p>
<p>Duke is a great school, but now it seems to be turning – maybe because of the intense competition with the “lower” ivies and its other peer schools, Chicago, JHU – into a school that people either love or hate. </p>
<p>It’s also funny how people keep bringing up Duke’s rabid basketball culture when this is just the worst place to do it.</p>
<p>why do people hate duke?</p>
<p>Because of its presupposed racial insensitivity. Because its students often seem to use their – admittedly amazing – basketball culture as a tribute to its academic/social prowess. Because their basketball team is filled with people who suck in the NBA – Excluding Elton Brand/Grant Hill. Because they claim to be the Southern Ivy. Because of its inferiority complex.</p>
<p>Idk. I think it’s a great school.</p>
<p>racial insensitivity? duke is very diverse and integrated for the most part… people sometimesstick with their own race (which i think is dumb), but there isn’t racism… duke is ranked 20th in top schools for african americans…</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_8715.shtml&usg=AFQjCNEFfxuWyoNGLKvCBMGPy6bX061ILA[/url]”>http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_8715.shtml&usg=AFQjCNEFfxuWyoNGLKvCBMGPy6bX061ILA</a></p>
<p>basketball is one thing that duke really has going for the school… i guess people turn to that b/c it’s one thing that is different than other top tier schools… </p>
<p>i don’t think referring to duke as a southern ivy is completely unreasonable… i mean, it is undoubtedly the top school in the south and on par with lower level ivies… it actually has been referred to as a southern ivy many times outside of the duke student body…</p>
<p>[Southern</a> Ivy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ivies]Southern”>Southern Ivy - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>i do agree with your last statement… it does seem like there is an inferiority complex among duke students… a lot of duke students worked really hard in high school and were rejected from HYPSM… then again, there were many that got in and still chose duke… but yea, there is a slight inferiority complex… i think people often mistake school pride for an inferiority complex…</p>
<p>by the way, i’m a duke student if it wasn’t obvious…</p>
<p>^^ so, you’re saying that Duke is often for HYPSM rejects?</p>
<p>Duke’s a great school, but I too have noticed that many of them seem to have some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself mostly in their bashing schools that are clearly comparable. (Columbia, Berkeley, Chicago, etc.)</p>
<p>no, not many duke students are like that… there are those kids at every school… i do agree that duke has those select few on college confidential… these kids represent the school poorly… </p>
<p>and yes, i think a lot of duke kids are HYPSM rejects… b/c it is undisputed that those kids are more prestigious overall… unless a student is majoring in BME or possibly econ, they would most likely choose any of those schools over duke… these kids are the quiet, intellectual, possibly one dimensional type (often Asian kids who work very hard in school)… </p>
<p>then there are those who care a lot about going to a D1 school, like to party hard, and join a frat at Duke… </p>
<p>i’m pretty sure that the egotistic kids u see on here misrepresenting duke are the former…</p>
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<p>Princeton is a better school than Harvard. What are you talking about?</p>
<p>Also, NYC is the indisputably the best city in the world. Take it or leave it. Many people would die for the former.</p>
<p>Kwu is being sarcastic…I think.</p>
<p>Anyway even though I will get flamed for this, almost every school is for HYPS rejects in that kids who for the most part can’t go there go to other places. If you look at the cross admit data people go to those schools when they are able and when they are not they usually go to the next best schools in their opinion. For some its Columbia/Penn and for others as we have seen its Duke.</p>
<p>Just as an fyi, this is not a bad thing. A lot of my friends fall in this group and most likely I will as well. There are many many great schools, and its not really a criticism to be “worse” than the best of the best.</p>
<p>I’m not sure you understand just what is the concept of sarcasm.
I was not being sarcastic.</p>
<p>And, do expect to get burned. Hard.
Not everyone wants to go to HYPS, nor does anyone have a shot.</p>
<p>Your logic is just… weird.</p>
<p>You may content yourself with being “worse,” but I, along with everyone who has the privilege of attending a top national university or LAC, will be pleased to know that we are, indeed, the “best of the best.”</p>
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<p>Bescraze’s statement makes perfect sense. I have no clue what part of that you don’ understand. Furthermore, while you say that the academic differences between national universities are negligible, you also state that “Princeton is a better school than Harvard.”</p>
<p>Quite frankly,
Your logic is just… weird.</p>
<p>CNI. Kwu’s post makes perfect sense to me. The logic is not weird at all.</p>
<p>kwu makes perfect sense. there’s scarcely a college or university in the top fifty in the United States that has less than a third of its students admitted under either EA or ED. Even a conservative estimate would be that half the students are at a top college because it is their first choice.</p>
<p>^^ Ok, I’ll bite. The students who applied ED/EA to certain schools did so because HYPS either did not offer ED/EA or way out of their league. They want to apply to a semi-reach school that they might get in. Those schools are in no way their first choice. I know mine wasn’t.
6 schools in the top 50 are UCs, and none of them has EA/ED.</p>
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<p>That’s the problem with gaming the system. The only variable you can be sure of is your own.</p>
<p>It may seem that I might have contradicted myself, but allow me to clarify:</p>
<p>I stand by my opinion that Princeton offers a higher quality undergraduate education than Harvard.</p>
<p>I was not commenting about the indistinguishable quality of top institutions relative to one another (although it is a good topic for consideration),–with the exception of my Harvard jab–but against Bezcraze’s assertion that there is a discrepancy between the quality of students at one institution over another of similar caliber and prestige. I am rather sure that a Cornell student is not inherently inferior to a Harvard student on the grounds that he attends a university that is not as prestigious. In the same vein, a student at Duke is not “worse” than a student at Columbia.</p>
<p>I was merely emphasizing that people who are capable of garnering admission to the top national universities and LACs are all the “best of the best.”</p>
<p>I do not consider being a HYPS “reject” as a part of my identity as a [College] student, nor shall I perpetually harbor an inferiority complex due to the fact that I did not attend one out of HYPS.</p>
<p>Say, middsmith: sorry to hear it wasn’t your first choice. It wasn’t mine either. I wonder, of the people we will meet, how many can honestly say it was their first choice? You’re satisfied, though, aren’t you?</p>
<p>So P is a better school than H because it’s more UG focused? </p>
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<p>Maybe this claim is supported by other evidence, but that sentence sounds an awful lot like that Rice > Harvard guy.</p>
<p>To rank schools solely on the amount of attention the UG’s receive?</p>
<p>You know, I’ve always wondered. If Princeton does in fact offer a better UG education, why does Harvard always represent itself extremely well? </p>
<p>H has 34 Rhodes Scholars since 2000. P has 11. Why such a large discrepancy? I’m actually curious – this is not an attempt to ridicule Princeton at all.</p>
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<p>How very odd, to think that <em>everyone</em> just wants HYPS and that anything else is just second-banana. Don’t you get that some people *prefer other schools to HYPS, and in fact HYPS may not even be in their consideration set? I reject the hypothesis that just because HYPS have the top ratings, that therefore they are automatically, or should be, everyone’s top *choices.</p>
<p>proud to say that i didn’t apply to HYPS</p>
<p>Ok I just wrote a long thoughtful post that got deleted, but simply Kwu you just like to argue…</p>
<p>My logic makes sense and in no way does it mean you should have an inferiority complex, after all how many kids really get into those schools. Most kids at Cornell probably did get rejected from HYPS or simply could not realistically have a shot at getting in…this applies to a lot of the top schools. If a kid wants to go to a top school, they usually shoot for HYPS when they can and statistically this is true. My logic made sense, yours didn’t and still doesn’t</p>