How fast would I pay back $300,000?

<p>Okay, OP, I’m pretty certain I know the area you’re from, and your folks are being ridiculous – AND – you’re the one that has to do something about it, because obviously they would prefer the control over you that a decade (or three) of penury will hold. While they may mean well, you simply can’t allow their ignorance or misinformation shackle your future in this way. You have absolutely no idea what you’re up against here in repaying that kind of debt. But even more concerning is that you have an ABUNDANCE of options that I suspect for various reasons are not being considered.</p>

<p>If you’re from the city I suspect or anywhere else in Essex County, you have University of Windsor. I don’t care what you think about the actual program. You could do the undergrad for next to nothing AND THEN GO TO GRAD SCHOOL in the states, Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver, where there are lots of jobs in CS and powerhouse programs. At that point, you/d be older and perhaps your folks would worry less.</p>

<p>You also have University of Western 1 3/4 hours away in London (or 1 hour away in London if you live in Sarnia) which is an outstanding university, period. Next in line in terms of proximity is Waterloo – excellent engineering program in CS.</p>

<p>York is a fine school, University of Toronto better, and I can assure you that lots of young folks have survived quite well on their own in Toronto :wink: (That’s where I went to school back in the stone ages…against MY parents wishes…and ergo, on my own dime :)</p>

<p>My son attended UMich, and loved it – BUT I AM A PR IN MICHIGAN NOW. Had I not been a permanent resident, there is no way on earth I would have financed a UMich degree over say a UT degree (the degree was in music…so that would have some bearing) or worse, encouraged him to indebt himself to do so. </p>

<p>So I mean no disrespect to UMich and the caliber of program, which I know to be very strong. But there is no sane circumstance under which your parents at their present earning level should be funding this type of endeavor when the gains are not significantly different and the expense is proportionally about quadruple any Canadian school.</p>

<p>BTW, in case you’re worried about Canadian degrees being “inferior” – just remember that in math, for example, on the PISA test, Canadian students ranked 8th worldwide, and American students ranked about 38th. Now, in fairness, there are myriad reasons for that – in the US there is a big gap between urban and suburban schools, uneven funding etc. But I’m just trying to give you a little perspective.</p>

<p>So while programs like UMich attract the very tippy top students in math/science from the country, it is unlikely that the material covered is dramatically more advanced than that of the majority of Canadian universities, which are populated by students who overall may have had a more rigorous hs background – especially given the U-credits that replaced grade 13 from the stone age ;)</p>

<p>In essence, every Canadian university EXPECTS incoming students to have secured advance level courses – what in the US would be “college prep” equivalent. The same is not true of, for example, Oakland or myriad other “regional” Michigan colleges – University of Michigan excepted (as you would not get in without rigorous curricular background.)</p>

<p>So UMich is too expensive OOS, and I daresay the balance of “close” (geographical) Michigan colleges may in fact be less rigorous or possibly on par (with some) of the Canadian schools…and all the Canadian schools are cheaper overall, IME.</p>

<p>So, that should simplify matters for you. It’s pretty straightforward.</p>

<p>Tell your parents that the education loan has to be at 0% interest and the maximum you can pay is 5% of your eventual annual salary (pre-tax) for the life of the loan. They need to understand that it’s going to take a long time to pay back the loan and they are going to lose a lot of purchasing power over that time. They also need to understand that if you try to pay it back more quickly you won’t be able to qualify for a loan to purchase a house until you are in your 50s!</p>

<p>$300K is a lot of money. Get your under first. Find a job at a decent place that will pay tuition for you to go graduate school. You can work and get your masters at night. Debt free and also gain working experiences (that is essential for someone in the technical field).</p>

<p>Or get married to someone who’s really, really rich.</p>

<p>One important issue: are your parents lending you their own money (that they have in savings or elsewhere) OR are they borrowing money for you?
If they’re using their own money they may call “loan” what really is a gift.
In that case, tell them “I’ll pay you back 1/3 of my income, whatever that is, for 8 years, then we’ll call it even”.
In short, if what’s above is true, they’re giving you the money to attend U-Mich* but would rather call it “loan” to make you feel responsible for your costs and your education, they say they expect to be paid back- except they don’t, not really.
A aforementioned plan is manageable financially and if they agree to it (meaning they effectively give you a lot of the money) then you’re good to stay @ U Michigan.</p>

<p>If they do not agree:
Tell them that you will not be able to pay back $200,000 (remind them that the amount an undergrad is expected to be able to pay back is 27,000 TOTAL). </p>

<p>I second the suggestion of speaking to the fin aid office </p>

<p>You can walk into the job market right now and pull down 60K per year. Also, many employers will pay for your masters degree for you if you work while you get it. </p>

<p>Im in the IT industry and the market for grad degrees is very specialized. You wont get a very quick payback for it. On the flip side, the demand for 4 year degrees is huge right now.</p>

<p>lol 300k is too much. only an insane person would spend that much. try enrolling in a 3-1/3-2 bachelor and master dual program.</p>

<p>edit: if you’ve spent that much already, i guess there’s not much you can do at this point. but if you’re still in school, I’d transfer out of there immediately because there is NO way you will pay that back unless you land yourself in a dream job.</p>

<p>I would buy a house outright and take a minimum wage job before I would take on $300k of educational debt. Remember that to net $300k after taxes you will have to earn in the neighborhood of $500k.</p>

<p>As others have previously pointed out, attending U of M cannot justify 300k of debt. To emphasize that your alma mater has little bearing on your job prospects, here’s the breakdown of alma maters for the software engineering development program I am a part of.</p>

<p>Big-Name Schools:
University of Michigan (2)
University of Notre Dame (2)
Cornell University (1)</p>

<p>Not-So-Big-Name Schools:
Michigan State University (1)
University of Houston (1)
Oregon Institute of Technology (1)
North Carolina State University (1)
Bucknell University (1)
Carleton College (1)</p>

<p>The CS curriculum is fairly standardized these days, so there isn’t a huge disparity in terms of what you will cover at College A vs College B. Attend the institution which makes the most financial sense. Don’t unnecessarily dig yourself into an insurmountable hole of debt.</p>

<p>hersheybar11, read and reread kmcmom13’s post from 06-24-2013, 01:45 PM.</p>