How hard is it to get science, math, and UC GE courses at CCSF?

[Shannon13]

<p>AnnoyingGirl, that’s why I recommended taking at least one class at CCSF so you would still have priority for spring. I know there are several one unit “classes” that are basically a one or two day field trip that you write a report on- they don’t happen till later in the semester so you still have plenty of time to register for them.</p>

[turtlerock]

<p>In case anyone cares for the latest update. I don’t know how much more proof someone would need to see that CCSF may very well be a defunct institution.</p>

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City College of San Francisco is perilously close to bankruptcy, in part because it employs nearly twice as many faculty as similar colleges and pays them better - yet educates no more students on average, says a new financial analysis of the state’s largest public school. </p>

<p>The college got into trouble because, unlike other colleges, it failed to make the budget cuts necessary to keep up with reductions in state funding, never set aside money for its growing retirement obligations, and “has provided salary increases and generous benefits with no discernible means to pay for them,” says the review by the state’s Fiscal Crisis & Management Assistance Team, authorized by state law to help public schools in financial trouble.

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<p>Read more: [City</a> College near bankruptcy, audit says - SFGate](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-near-bankruptcy-audit-says-3875651.php#ixzz26vfsKb3c]City”>http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-near-bankruptcy-audit-says-3875651.php#ixzz26vfsKb3c)</p>

<p>EDIT: My favorite part -

“I look at this very positively,” said John Rizzo, president of the Board of Trustees, who called the thick report a helpful tool, filled with recommendations for the college to use in its all-out effort to meet the strict timeline for change imposed by the regional Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges.

So basically, he’s saying this is a good thing because he knew that if he waited long enough to do his job, then someone would eventually do it for him and hand him all the recommended items on a silver platter, and then just hope it’s not too late to enact those recommendations?</p>

[Annoyinggirl]

<p>Thanks for the update Turtlerock. I wonder where the influx of students would be headed if CCSF does close down.</p>

[Annoyinggirl]

<p>@Caldud, have you really? Was it during the past year? Or have you been hearing about failing students from UC Davis for many years now?</p>

<p>Um, for me personally, I’ve always had a very negative attitude. During first quarter, I had a very tough (evil) professor for a workload class. He didn’t curve but gave really hard tests. I failed his first midterm, so I studied my butt off for the second midterm. But it turns out that his midterms are cumulative, which means that he put exact problems from the first midterm. I got nearly every question that was supposed to be on the second midterm right, but still failed the test since half of them was from the first midterm. I got really demoralized at that point. I had never put so much effort into failing a test. After that, failing just became the norm. I failed that class, as did half of the class, which i later found out. </p>

<p>During the second quarter, I had to take my chem placement test to get into general chem. I failed by one point. I beat myself over it. I was sooo upset. In retrospect, i was so silly. It’s just a placement test. I could take it however many times I want. But i procrastinated on the internet to rid of my bad feelings. My negative attitude made it hard for me to bounce back up. Addiction to the internet got to me soon, and I failed two more classes.</p>

<p>Third quarter, I took on 19 units to maintain my financial aid eligibility. Though I tried, I was overwhelmed. I failed two more classes.</p>

<p>Why so many people fail at UC Davis is that the science and math departments are known for being hardcore. I had Biology professor third quarter was a total ******bag (didnt curve, gave impossible tests, didn’t teach from the book, didn’t care). My math teacher from first quarter, to an extend, set me off on a downward spiral, but to be fair, probably wouldn’t have happened if I had a better work ethnic from the start and went to class and office hours more often. But i feel like that wasn’t best way to teach a class of freshmen coming out of high school.</p>

<p>The biggest reason is probably because I’ve heard about how smart people there are, and I just felt like I couldn’t get good grades there from the start. I felt like I got in by just pure luck and chance, and that I wasn’t as smart as most of the students there, so that thought really made me unmotivated.</p>

<p>Caldude, I’m assuming you attend/have attended UCB. What is the failing rate there compared to UC Davis?</p>

[andrewexd]

<p>Interesting… There was a similar situation where Compton Community College lost it’s acreddiation so a nearby CCC (el camino) took it over and kept it’s accreditation by becoming a branch of El Camino College.</p>

[turtlerock]

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These are among the key proposals and savings identified in the draft plan, which have yet to be approved:</p>

<p>– Consolidating or eliminating programs, such as enrichment classes. This would save $60,000 a year for each “full-time equivalent” instructor position eliminated, meaning jobs held by two or more part-timers.</p>

<p>– Although the college is hiring some administrators, others would lose their jobs, with savings estimated at $180,000 a year for each position. The accreditation commission had said the school actually has too few administrators.</p>

<p>– Laying off clerical employees.</p>

<p>– Increasing the workweek of clerical staff from 37.5 hours to 40 hours to reduce overtime pay by $180,000 a year.</p>

<p>– Hiring fewer students.</p>

<p>– Eliminating paid sabbaticals to save $800,000 a year.</p>

<p>– Imposing across-the-board salary cuts of 1 percent to save $1.57 million.</p>

<p>Another surprising bit of savings is revealed in a paragraph deep in the appendix of the proposal. </p>

<p>“(The) college currently ‘writes off’ as an expenditure $400,000 in unpaid student fees per year, a figure that will certainly increase in the near term.”</p>

<p>The proposal plans for the college to collect those fees, which reflect enrollment costs of $46 per unit.

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<p>Read more: [Preview</a> of City College improvement plan - SFGate](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Preview-of-City-College-improvement-plan-3897677.php#ixzz27gvG0O7C]Preview”>http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Preview-of-City-College-improvement-plan-3897677.php#ixzz27gvG0O7C)</p>

[turtlerock]

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City College of San Francisco will not be able to fix all of its financial and managerial problems by the March 15 deadline to retain accreditation, and the best it can hope for is to win more time to work on its issues, a special trustee told state officials Tuesday.</p>

<p>“We’re making significant progress. I don’t want to minimize that,” Bob Agrella told the college system’s Board of Governors in his first report since the board appointed him in October to oversee City College’s efforts to remain open and accredited.</p>

<p>The vast college of 85,000 students learned in July that the Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges will yank its seal of approval and shut it down if it cannot quickly repair years of management problems that have led the college to live beyond its means. </p>

<p>Although the college has made many changes since then - including improving long-term budgeting and bringing in more experienced leaders - there remain pockets of resistance to other essential reforms, Agrella said, expressing particular frustration with labor unions. He cited other groups, including college trustees themselves, as continuing to resist some major changes.

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<p>Read more: [CCSF</a> to miss key deadline, overseer says - SFGate](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/CCSF-to-miss-key-deadline-overseer-says-4177983.php#ixzz2HVk1HfBs]CCSF”>http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/CCSF-to-miss-key-deadline-overseer-says-4177983.php#ixzz2HVk1HfBs)</p>