How long would your family's current food supply last following disaster, or food shortage.

I’m the OP on this thread, and I posted it out of interest. But I would also like to persuade other members to consider preparing for a food shortage and/or other emergency. There is a book called “One Second After” that does a good job of explaining what life might be like in a rural town following an electromagnetic pulse which knocked out the power grid.

As I mentioned, I personally don’t stock up on any purpose-made survival goods. I simply buy lots of non-perishable, discounted groceries, so that my pantry is always full. I have enough food on hand for two or three months. There are those who stockpile a year’s supply of food. Still others might have enough for two weeks. Even if you only make a point of keeping an extra bag of sugar and flour on hand, that’s something.

I calculate the chance of having a disaster that would actually force me to use my emergency food supply to survive to be less than two percent per year. My view is that it’s better to have food and not need it than to need food and not have it. It’s highly unlikely that my house will catch fire, but I still carry fire insurance. I feel the same way about having a full pantry.

I hope I’ve given everyone something to think about. I view food storage as an act of good citizenship, and would urge everyone to try to keep a few extra staples on hand, or if space permits, a lot of extra staples on hand.

I’m a little concerned about the people who think that living near a large number of stores, drugstores and gas stations is a plan. It seems like everyone might have that idea and they would be emptied within hours.

Similarly with the idea to “live off the land”. Despite living in a fairly unpopulated rural county, I don’t think the deer would last a few weeks and the crab pots might start coming up empty after the same period. I wonder what even a thousand people would look like on a clamming beach, not to mention ten thousand.

And, then there is the notion that you’re going to “share” with neighbors. Don’t you have to have something (and a fair amount of it) of significant value in order to share? With that plan you might get some variety, but not much help in the long term. Although, my neighbor does have ten horses that might look tasty after a month or two…

In that vein, a couple 50 lb bags of rice and 25 lb bags of beans would be mighty welcome.

@JustOneDad You are correct, living near a few stores is going to be useless. They will quickly be emptied.

Everyone can’t “live off the land,” but a few people can. People who live in rural areas will be able to do a certain amount of hunting and fishing. But yes, the deer, rabbit, and fish population is likely to drop very quickly. However, many food emergencies may last only a few days or weeks, so the existing animal population may be enough.

As for sharing with neighbors, people will be eager to “share,” or to put it more appropriately, “trade.” But people are not going to be eager to simply give away their limited food supply. Everyone is going to have to be willing and able to offer something in return.

Living in a known Earthquake zone, and voluntered with the Red Cross after Katrina with the mental health section…
we have many supplies, with the intention of being able to live in our yard if need be for at least 2-3 weeks, winter or summer. We rotate large amounts of bottled water, have tent and sleeping bags, batteries, medications (old but good enough) and toilet paper–just think of setting up a temporary home for a month.
The biggest issue is that we will most likely not be home but miles away!
You can only do so much.
But thanks!–a few bottles of Bourbon will be joining the dehydrated food (bought on Amazon 8 years ago).

We need to prepare our cars better.

Do keep SHOES in your car, under the head of your bed, and with your ER stuff.

Also, we all have a cell phone recharger that you crank.

I read this thread and keep thinking of this comic. Get all your canned goods and water organized and then disaster strikes at just the wrong time!

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or maybe this one:

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My D just moved to her own apartment this weekend and my S came up from his city a few hours away to help. Suffice to say all of our stocks of toilet paper, paper towels, rice, pasta, spaghetti sauce, canned soup, etc are gone at this point anyway :slight_smile:

^^LOL

H could probably live for months, but I am too picky and would probably only last a week. He has lots of canned goods in the store room in the basement. I would have to be really hungry to eat some of the things…

When one is REALLY hungry and there are shortages, I suspect most anything somewhat nourishing would taste delicious (or at least palatable) and niceties about whether it is our PREFERRED food or beverage would fall by the wayside. We probably have enough in canned goods to last a few weeks. We also have a lot of papergoods and about 60 small bottles of water (I use them for meetings that I run).

Folks with serious health issues would probably have issues because many of the canned and other foods that have long self lives tend to have more salt and perhaps sugar than is prudent for their health. If there is a shortage of maintenance medications, many of us would have problems once our supply runs low or runs out.

Folks on supplemental O2, dialysis, ventilator, or other durable medical equipment will also have more challenges than “able-bodied” folk.

To be serious for a moment, as my posts upthread about surviving the zombie apocalypse clearly were made in jest,
if there were a disaster significant enough to cut off the food supply to modern American towns for more than 2-3 weeks it would have to be quite significant and global. All the beans and rice in the world won’t help if your kid has radiation sickness and the medical system has collapsed or there are men with Uzis trying to break down your door for food because the dust from an asteroid has plunged us into eternal winter. I think any of us without a bunker and a cache of weapons and medicines would be outa luck.

What I’ve planned for is the more typical emergency like a blizzard, flood, or hurricane.

A few years ago there was a major ice storm in the area and it took almost two weeks before power was fully restored. No one ran out of food. The biggest concern was heat and some families had to move out to friends’ places or local motels. Those who did not know how to handle a winter power loss returned to burst pipes. After the first few day of blocked roads and downed power lines life went on substantially as usual. Kids who were home from school played as they would in the summer, people who had to go to work dressed in the dark and no one blamed them for their mismatched socks. One issue was personal hygiene. Brushing teeth and washing faces was reasonable with bottled water but bathing was out. My kids’ independent school, outside the worst damaged areas, opened the gym showers to families without power.

A few random thoughts/tips:

Have a list of important contact numbers in your box. I know I’ve become so accustomed to hitting a button on my cell phone to reach some people and I no longer have their phone numbers in my head. If you and your neighbors have agreed to pool resources include those resources on your list.

Put copies of all your important paper on Dropbox or a similar cloud-based site. If your home, or for that matter, your bank, is covered under 12 feet of rubble you or someone outside the disaster area working on your behalf still be able to prove

Make sure you have a working flashlight easily accessible somewhere you can find it without having to fumble in the dark. That flashlight in the disaster box is going to be hard to find if you need a flashlight to get around the basement!

If you have a battery operated flashlight in your emergency kit store it with the batteries outside the flashlight. You can put the batteries and flashlight into a ziplock bag together. If you leave the batteries in the flashlight and don’t use it for a couple of years you’re likely to end up with corroded batteries which have destroyed your flashlight.

A hand cranked radio/flashlight combo is great to have in your disaster box. You don’t have to worry about batteries and even if cell coverage and internet are out you can still receive news.

Make sure to check your supplies every year or so. badly expired foods and medications are not going to be of much use in an emergency.

Throw a roll of duct tape in the emergency box. It’s amazingly versatile-sealing doors, holding a splint in place, patching a leaky pipe or bottle, resealing food, etc.

Plastic water bottles absorb odors from their environment over the long term, so don’t store them next to things like paints. The water will still be safe but it won’t taste good. It’s also a good idea to switch out an emergency water supply every year or two because the water will eventually start to taste like plastic.

We buy new bottles of water once we have used the ones we have in stock, they they are rotated out pretty often, whichi is a good thing. I have read of folks who annually buy a larger bottle of water for storm season and then use it up after storm season ends.

I honestly have to say I’m not worried about any disaster happening that would require more than a month or two (at most) in food “large” area-wide. I’m certainly not devoting any time or money toward preparing for such an unlikely event.

We’ll remain prepared for what can really happen - storms, etc, or even financial issues of some sort.

If it is something so catastrophic that the world as we know it is no longer I have no desire to survive.

@Sue22 , Our old neighbors in NJ suffered through up to 2 weeks of life without power after winter storms. The former standard for loss of power backup was a gasoline powered generator and a 5 gallon tank of gas. After running out of gas and being unable to refill (gas stations could not pump gas because the pumps were powered by electricity) the new standard, adopted by many in the wealthy town, is a backup generator powered by natural gas… not a propane tank, but tied into the utility natural gas line.

We have a very large roll of heavy plastic and rolls of duck tape. If our windows are broken during an earthquake we can cover them and try to keep rain/snow out.

Or during an ebola breakout :wink:

NJres, That happened a lot in my area also. I joked that after the last long power outage my strategy was going to be to make friends with many people that had generators so I could house hop for showers. We were out for about 10 days in one of the bad storms and I was so happy when my office came back on-line that I ran over there and washed my hair in the kitchen sink.

I have a whole house generator with a buried propane tank. For whatever reason we seem to lose power quite a bit. Especially the fall. It doesn’t work the ac, but we have a few window units so last storm we hooked them up. It took what would have been miserable to barely noticeable to us.

I have a gas driven generator (new in the box) that my parents bought for Y2K. No kidding.

We have a generator we bought 12 years ago. Ironically, other than the weekly auto-test it’s run a total of about 20 minutes in those dozen years.

Our town almost never loses power and when a neighborhood goes down it’s rarely for more than an hour or two. We’ve had two major October storms in the last few years and in both all the towns ringing us lost power but our town didn’t. There are two reasons. 1) Our town is unusual in that it has its own town light plant so when the power goes out in the area it doesn’t cascade and take our power out as well, plus the light plant guys have no one to worry about but our one town, and 2) We have a paid Tree Warden whose job it is to look out for the health of town trees. While this may seem like a strange position it makes a tremendous difference when a storm hits because there are no weak limbs hanging over the power lines or dead trees within striking distance of the lines or roads.

One of the storms hit the day before Halloween and every town around us had to cancel trick-or-treating because with all the downed lines and dark streets it wasn’t safe. Guess where everyone went for their Halloween candy. Yup, over 800 kids came to our door.

Well… you know what you need to be stocked up with in the event of an emergency. :wink: