How many books is a normal teen supposed to read outside of school?

@JustOneDad But it’s important to remember your audience. This is advice you drop on a new mother board. Most parents here have children close to adulthood. The OP is a parent concerned about her 15-year-old and your advice was aimed at something you assume she didn’t do when he was 2, or at least didn’t do well. It was far more “well, if you’d done this right, then you wouldn’t have this problem.” It wasn’t helpful. It was accusatory and you know that it was.

Lots of kids like to be read to but to assume that a parent did something “wrong” with a kid who doesn’t is plain ignorant.

We’re pretty sure a lot of these students will be new mothers or fathers some day. Just a guess.

For every person you reply to directly, there are hundreds or thousands more just reading, so if you realize that, posts might be a little different than they would otherwise.

No, I can’t imagine. I usually find a way to make it interesting.

Emilybee, that is exactly what I was trying to describe. Reading x number of pages every nnight discourages reading in principle and practice! My daughter, who reads a lot, refused to do the school reading assignments and refused to enter the contests. She was the only one in her class who did not get a pizza party for reading but she read a huge amount privately. Finally the teacher asked her why, and the teacher changed some of her practices the next year :slight_smile:

Sorry for the tangent. Greenhills, I would not blame struggles in class on lack of leisure reading. Kids today do a lot of reading in all kinds of ways. I think constantly and aggressively encouraging a kid, especially a teen, to read for leisure is not productive and might hurt relationships.

That said, the reason for struggles in class IS something to look into before he goes to college. You can tell him it is to see what his learning style is before college:it may help with choices. If something is found, it may help him get accommodations through the disabilities office, extra advising or help with time management, that kind of thing.

My youngest has had problems reading since a very young age. As I said, she does a not, naturally, online. Once in awhile a book would catch fire and she would read it in one sitting, but rarely. Movies based on the book helped- something I would never otherwise suggest. The only answer we have gotten is that she has slow processing, trouble scanning, and ADHD. The latter was diagnosed AFTER high school. The slow processing and large gap between “verbal and performance” on testing done by the school in 3rd grade did not earn her help because she “did too well” in class (average). I homeschooled her for two separate years.

Once she was in college, she had a diagnosis (and a diagnosis of bipolar 1) and got lots of help. Currently she works and does a performing art professionally and goes to school very part time. Even taking one or two classes, she meets with a person from the disabilities office once a week for support and it helps a lot.

It might help to get to the bottom of the challenges, before college, in other words, for school and life planning. But I would not go on a campaign to tempt him to read more. In fact, my daughter is so much happier now that she accepts reading isn’t her thing, and she no longer keeps piles of philosophy books in her room. She accepts herself, in other words. She reads what she has to, and writes brilliantly. It has been great for her to find her strengths and stop trying to be someone she isn’t.

@JustOneDad Sigh, I know how message boards work. It’s just sad that you are willing to be unhelpful and totally insulting to a person in direct need because you think you are handing out info that everyone in the country doesn’t already know. Never mind helping posters with similar challenges that are searching for a different approach. All I can really do now is ignore your continued attempts to make yourself feel “right” as opposed to perhaps feeling a little guilty for making another human feel worse about their situation. Very nice.

JustOneDad
"No, I can’t imagine. I usually find a way to make it interesting. "

  • I do not want to MAKE anything interesting, book, movie, activity. If it is not interesting, I stop and do something else. This is a difference in personality and also it has started at certain age. Like I realized that I have a choice of doing what I love instead of doing what is boring. I even changed my profession. Was not interested, did not try to make it interesting any more after 11 years, switched to something else. I used to stick and see what happened or simply just finish, not interested in doing it any more. Cannot cut everybody by the same measure, people are different. My goal in life is to enjoy every minute of it.

I agree with those who say that the OP should consider getting her son evaluated for possible learning disabilities. I also think that insisting that he not move his lips when he reads is not the way to get him to read more!

As for how much kids in general should read, I also agree that there are kids who like to read and those who don’t. My two kids, who have always scored several grade levels above their age on reading tests, pretty much quit reading books for fun sometime in elementary school (my older tried out a few YA novels in middle school, didn’t really like them, and that was it; my younger never really seemed interested in books after she outgrew the Rainbow Magic Fairy books in 2nd grade). I decided not to worry about it as long as their reading levels continued to test so high.

Honestly, I think a lot of kids get plenty of reading experience nowadays reading internet sites. I’m not talking about one-line comments from grammatically challenged internet users, or texts from their friends; I’m talking about kids who spend hours reading fanfiction sites or blogs about their favorite subjects. We have to stop thinking in the mindset of our parents’ generation, when if you never read a book you were never going to have a sufficient command of language to be able to express yourself articulately. That’s the goal we’re aiming for ultimately, right?

I’m an avid reader myself and I’m a bit sad that my kids don’t find the same joy in reading that I do. But they have to find their own paths. I will say that both of them have really enjoyed some of the books they’ve read for school, so they know that books can be wonderful in that way. But that hasn’t turned them into leisure readers.

“My daughter is like @sseamom’s son. She never read anything voluntarily until her twenties. She had no difficulty with school”

^^^Describes me perfectly! Now, I read pretty much every day. Kindle (a dedicated e-reader, not the tablet) really got me into reading.

I agree that lots of kids read on the Internet, and that’s OK, as far as it goes. This is a little off-topic, and not so much aimed at the OP, but we get lots of questions here on CC about ways to improve verbal test scores, and the answer is to read as much well-written material as possible. You can find some very good reading on the Internet (New Yorker articles, for example, and the New York Times), but the best readers will also read some books.

What and how much should you read? Anything that isn’t nailed down while you’re working the crowbar to free the book. I did not read until the fourth grade I spent the summer between third and fourth grades sitting outside and sounding out Compton’s encyclopedia. What did you do this summer? Learned how to read. Oh? Yes, hand me a book from the shelf and Ill read it for you. Well, I read the book aloud and explained what it had said. My difficulty was not dyslexia as it turned out but undiagnosed Amblyopia. In contrast, my younger sister was born reading and found it amusing that her older sister was in the bottom reading group in her classroom. Got her later when she read Penny Lope and I corrected her. Penelope.

We were very fortunate that our mother read constantly and never went anywhere without a book. She believed we could read anything regardless of our ages if we could access and process text. I remember the shock when another parent saw my sister of eight years reading David the King. I always carry a book. My heart sings when I see a child carry a book.

In any event, I firmly believe in a culture of reading in which parents read, kids read and we read separately and together. We heard the classics from Bambi to Silas Marner read aloud in the car and in the home. We were not expected to enjoy or agree with a text as much as be familiar with it. I think that is an important idea. Reading for pleasure is not necessarily reading for fun. Some books are boring, but that doesn’t mean you don’t read them. I’m talking to you, Heidi!

I believe parents should model and encourage reading and by the presence or reading materials in the home from lots of sources. Kindle is a great option if you don’t mind losing the smell and feel of books or can’t live without turning pages (and know the words on the next page before turning it. There are electronic libraries. Some individual with LD or a visual disorder access text though a different means such as audiotext or Braille . Some may apply to RFBD that is now named?

Family quiet time or reading time worked for us. What a you reading? A soup can. Reading proficiency improves by learning how to read recipes and cook, to follow a manual to do something, reviewing directions and looking at graphs to assemble something. Google, follow the weather, keep up with the Kardashians, whatever. We had books at home, library cards, and a bookmobile at school every week (we were allowed to select books from any section or aisle).

We had summer reading programs where we accumulated dinosaurs or the current sticker on a poster were fun and watching the number of our stickers grow was satisfying. We had our own little display at hom3. Reading aloud to each other helped get through long prose as in Russian novels.

Since I was a child, I had a dictionary next to me to look up words I didn’t know. I wrote the single-word definition in the text. This is a great way to expand vocabulary.

I am a lector at church. I heard passages from the Old and New Testaments from childhood so could recite them. However, as lector, I varied and practiced pacing, emphasis, pitch, etc, aloud and decided how I would read the passages the most meaningfully. Something else I learned was people listened and heard, but were not nasty. We all survived the crock cowing thrice;

So, it isn’t so important what your read or how you access text.As you become a better reader reading becomes natural like air Opportunities to read are all around us. Reading is the greatest cure for boredom. Remember: Reading is fundamental!

“I blame the silly reading assignments starting in kindergarten where they had to read X minutes a day.”

Come on, every kid has these and some turn into readers and some don’t. The readers don’t have to be prodded and timed. If my kids occasionally didn’t read their minutes, I didn’t care. I knew they’d spend a few hours reading that weekend so what if they didn’t read their 30 minutes that day? I didn’t really keep track of it because I knew that on average they were reading far more than required. On the contrary, sometimes I had to pull books out of their hands to get them to do things that needed to be done. For the non-reader, these assignments are so important to develop reading skills that won’t happen otherwise. If my kids had been non-readers, I would have insisted on them doing the requirements for school. But I wouldn’t have blamed their lack of interest in reading on the requirement to practice reading.

We pretty much ignored those logs and filled them out at the end of the week. My favorite was the third grade teacher who asked questions like? “Who was your favorite character?” “What was the setting?” At the time my son was reading stuff like Visual Basic for Dummies so his answers were. “There are no characters.” “There is no setting.” Luckily his teacher liked him and knew he read extensively (once he read a 400 page novel in two days while she was teaching - he could answer all her questions even though he was multi-tasking so she didn’t stop him.)

I’ll admit that I didn’t have much time to read myself (other the the paper and Newsweek) when the kids were young. Nonetheless both kids became avid readers. Part of it is because reading came easy to them. But I think those early reading programs played a role. Although I understand the points made above, in our family the required reading meant the kids got exposed to more books, and that whet their appetite for more.

When DS was in about 4th grade, I followed him through the “Series of Unfortunate Events” collection. (OK - I only made it through book 6). Even for an adult is was kindof fun. It seemed like a great vocabulary builder too Maybe it would be a possible choice for reluctant readers.

“Come on, every kid has these and some turn into readers and some don’t. The readers don’t have to be prodded and timed.”

I’m sure for a lot of kids that system worked fine for them and it didn’t squelch their love of reading - but for my kid I believe it did (and we read all the time to him from the time he was a baby.)

For some kids, reading never becomes “natural like air.” No matter how much reading goes on in the household.

It’s important to try to figure out why a child or teen has problems with reading. But it is also important to find other strengths to cultivate and feel good about.

My daughter reads constantly but during the school year with homework even she is hit or miss on having time to read. My son will read a few books per year but mostly at the suggestion of teachers. When we toured Columbia and they said one of their app questions was to list books read in the past year my first thought was I bet 100% of the applicants lie about at least one if not most of the books on their list.

Speak for yourself. My daughter did not lie on her book list.

Neither of my kids are applying there but it just smacks of trying to create an impressive list of books read but not necessarily within that year. Putting the time limitation during that crazy senior year time frame adds huge pressure for those who aren’t constant recreational readers. With the amount of assigned reading in 5 AP courses recreational reading is a dream.

The best thing about being a reader is that you’ll never be bored.

Our S16 didn’t read that many books this summer, but that’s because one of them was Infinite Jest. That took him a while, and he’s a fast reader. I’m a school librarian, but I’m not that much of a book person. Usually halfway through a book I just want it to end. I do like looking stuff up, though.

There is only one reason for someone to have this kind of thinking. :wink: