How to Raise a Genius: Lessons from a 45-Year Study of Supersmart Children

I have a family member via marriage who was a highly gifted child, as was his brother. They both ended up going to college at ages of 12/13. Both are successful in a STEM field. The one in my family graduated from college and began his Ph.D. at the age of 16. He and his brother are both happily (so far as I know) married. They are both employed at (different) top level universities doing highly regarded research, and are likely to make a significant difference in the world via advances in a biologically-related science.

I can see how talented STEM people can get more “genius” attention than artsy people simply because STEM fields tend to be more measurable, and advances in them more easily judged.

However, I think @Soozievt made a good point re giftedness not always being about STEM.
There can be no doubt IMO that Lin-Manuel Miranda, for example, is a highly gifted talent (apparently from childhood), easily considered a creative “genius,” and has made a huge contribution to the world.

Apples and oranges, perhaps, but both are great fruits!

Yes, most of us have heard that gifted kids can get stimulation from their folks. It is fortunate that the Internet is now available and expands the universe available to gifted kids. Many of our cities and states have basically nothing or substandard “gifted” programs.

Several of our kids worst teachers were “gifted” program specialists. One made the kids cry (literally) every day in class–she didn’t like kids and had no class management skills. Another pretended S was invisible for the 2 years he was in her class because on the 1st day of class, he asked her Qs she couldn’t answer.

I am grateful that many other people in the educational system nurture whatever kids come their way and help all kids develop.

Anyway, it sure would be nice if our nation would devote more resources to our gifted, but I don’t see it happening any time soon.

My daughter was gifted, a math whiz, and skipped a grade and could have skipped several more. But, now as an adult, has no interest in doing basic science, research or math. She wants to be outdoors and playing with kids. So, not sure the smarts does any of us any good.

Our education system to a large extent was influenced by people like Horace Mann, whose theories of schooling were based around producing a good product to fulfill the needs of the Prussian state, basically turning out product on an assembly line. Thus, being a ‘good student’ ie not giving the teacher any trouble, doing the exact work the teacher requires, following in line with everyone else to produce the orderly society they wanted, became how they taught, and the system has always struggled with how to deal with those who are different. Someone like Thomas Edison (the namesake of the so called Edison effect) ran into that in the 19th century, but it is still prevalent today, now we have teaching to the test and teacher evaluations based on how the mass of students do, which further incentivizes teaching to the middle. In a mass produced teaching system, things outside it are an impediment, a problem, and are often treated as such (one stat from a gifted kids website,estimates at the time were that 85% of the ‘diagnoses’ from school psychologists and the like were bogus, and among the kids that they claimed were ADD/ADHD, many of them when they ran IQ tests on them tested highly, and the ADD/ADHD was likely them being bored in class and cutting up. ).

“Several of our kids worst teachers were “gifted” program specialists. One made the kids cry (literally) every day in class–she didn’t like kids and had no class management skills. Another pretended S was invisible for the 2 years he was in her class because on the 1st day of class, he asked her Qs she couldn’t answer.” That is another problem, when they create ‘gifted programs’ they often give it to some long serving teacher as a perk, saying “they are experienced teachers so of course they can handle this”, when often they have little training or real desire to work with gifted kids, but rather do it because gifted teaching is like special ed, it can mean extra pay, so it is given as a perk in many places. The whole point of a gifted program is to avoid things like the kid who asks questions the teacher can’t answer or won’t (because it ‘eats into class time for important things’) and the teacher getting angry at the kid, or the kid who reads the entire reading book for the year in a couple of days then is told to follow along with the rest of the class. From what presenters said at various symposia I have been at with gifted kids, the training teaching colleges give and the like on gifted kids often doesn’t match what research shows works, which is another problem. The biggest problem is that many people, if not the majority, treat gifted education as something that isn’t needed, that gifted kids are bright and therefore “will do fine”, or worse, they resent it, see this as elitism and the like, or that this creates kids who see themselves as ‘above’ everyone else, in a sense they almost seem to enjoy the thought of these kids falling by the wayside, which is sad (meanwhile many of the same people love that the school district produces winning sports programs and will spend a ton of money on them, while cutting G and T and high level courses to save money).

I wonder if they realize just how much of their lives are impacted by gifted people who have achieved, Linn Manuel Miranda if I remember correctly went to the Hunter School and Hunter High School, both of which are programs designed for kids like we are talking about, Bill Gates went to exclusive private schools that nurtured his talent (it was pretty rare in the mid to late 60’s to have a middle school with timeshare access to a computer, his did), or how many of their family members lives were saved by the researchers who challenged things like heart disease, cancer, etc…instead of nurturing kids who could be like that, there are a lot of people who seem to resent them (kind of like the people who say they voted for a candidate who was ‘just like them’, me, I would want to vote for someone smarter than I am and more suited to hold office).

Our extremely precocious S loved speech therapy because he was able to work with young grad students who brought brain teasers he loved. He also loved that his 2nd grade teacher had a college BF who would play chess with him and S beat him regularly!

His 6th grade teacher was able to let him and friends work independently on their math textbook and they happily raced along at their own speed. They were the only kids ever who finished the book, then they were put in charge of the yearbook for the school–they had to train everyone on taking and scanning photos and everything else that was needed.

The same teacher inspired S and friends to make a working hand and foot with Popsicle sticks, brads, string and tape, learning each body part. He also had them build mini planetariums and watch the skies. They learned a ton that year and had s blast!

I sure wish there were more teachers like that 6th grade teacher, who made such a difference to so many kids (there were about 35 of all abilities in that class).

@himom:
Teachers like that are worth their weight in gold, and they exist. We would wish for classes where things are tailored to the kids abilities, but in general it is like comparing fuel injection on an engine to a carb, fuel injection systems deliver fuel and air based on current conditions, carbs do it on a broad assumed average.

We got lucky with the private school my son went to, they had teachers who really loved to teach and saw a kid out of the ordinary as a challenge. What amazed me was they kept my son in the middle of things, but also gave him his own space. He would ask a question about something, and instead of telling him it wasn’t relevant or worse, as far too many do, snap at the kid and say “this isn’t the time or place for that, we are doing X”, the teacher would say “while we finish what we are doing, why don’t you research it and then give a report to the class on what you find”.

It’s a gift, not an obligation, right?

I went to Montessori elementary school through sixth grade, with multi-age classrooms and outstanding teachers. Every student can work at his or her own pace. No need to skip grades – you do the reading and math you’re ready for. I wish this were an option for more students.

@Hanna Montessori is not the answer for all gifted kids. My kid was basically thrown out of his Montessori preschool/kindergarten for being “too abstract a thinker” which was not age appropriate according to them.

“My kid was basically thrown out of his Montessori preschool/kindergarten for being “too abstract a thinker” which was not age appropriate according to them.”

That is about those people being crazy, and not about Montessori. There’s nothing in Montessori about expelling little children.

I am happy that both kids found enough mentoring and nurturing along the way–some from us, some among truly gifted educators that will always hold a special place in our hearts, and also from the Internet and library. There are so many more options available to folks now than ever.

S has chosen work the he enjoys–working with robotics, drones, wearable tech and project management for the federal govt. Yes, he could have pursued more lucrative options but he seems quite content and the scheduling suits him well. His field does use many of his gifts and he’s happy to have considerable flexibility and responsibility at his job.

I will be forever grateful to S’s 6th grade teacher for helping the kids stretch themselves while having a blast! I helped them coordinate a fun 6th grade “graduation party,” Ultrazone lazer tag and buffet lunch at Sizzler.

The kids enjoyed their teacher and class much more than the pull-out gifted class, with the poor young teacher who had no idea what to do with them, how to engage of control them and had a rough time of it.

S was speaking at 6 months and had a massive vocabulary by 1 year, he tried to help the preschool director improve the standardized preschool placement test at age 3, reading and doing complex origami at age 4, and scored high enough on SAT in 7th grade to enter our flagship U. D was also far above grade level, but the younger sister. :wink:

@Marian For sure. Thanks for that. She has a great work ethic and working to bring to kids the kind of experiential education she wishes she had as not only a child, but in college as well. I am dealing with my loss of having a brilliant scientist in the family. But that shouldn’t be her problem.

I skimmed the thread because of frustration. Smarts without drive means there is NOTHING you can do to make the person excel!

My S was identified as a very gifted person at a very young age. He was recommended to look into the Johns Hopkins youth program, or some test qualified him for it. All I remember, is the day he was to take the exam he did not want to go, said he was tired ( think he had a soccer game the night before) and did not want to get up. Slept the hour drive to the test and did not want to take it. Hence he scored average. Understand, average on this test is still above average. But he had no interest.

He almost failed Middle School because he never handed in work in his first year. Once we got wind of this, we had to advocate that he get into honors classes in HS ( middle school was only two years) based on test scores (98+ percentile). I also went on to a web site the middle school provided listing all hw assigned. I made sure he did it in his second year. He graduated second in his class in middle school even after almost failing the prior year. Averages were base on both years.

In HS he accelerated in band. He was first trumpet from sophomore year on. Only reason he was not 1st chair as freshman was because the first trumpet was a good friend and babysitter of the teacher. All acknowledged that. But he was second chair. Some students were angry that he became 1 st chair as a sophomore, until they heard him! He joined American Music Abroad between his junior and senior years and was selected as first chair in band and jazz band with students from four different states auditioning and attending.

Next comes college. Got high 700’s in math SAT and Math SAT 2 and Physics SAT 2. 95++ percentile. But he never prepared or practiced for a second or gave a second hoot, honestl

He got into many great schools. All had engineering except the small top rated liberal l arts school he choose. He graduated with a physics major and math minor.

He is also a, now and before, very talented singer and enjoys acting. One of his frequent coleads through the years growing up is now in Hamilton on Broadway.

He has been a teller in a bank for the last idk many years.

We did everything, provided everything. It is just not in his nature to try to be anything more than just what he enjoys and is comfortable with.

I’m coming to be ok with that. I’m not completely there. He really does not earn enough to support a family. He is involved in a three year relationship. But I do not pry into what,if anything, they are planning.

My son took the SAT as a sixth grader. Did better than his math teacher (he was in math with the ninth graders by then). Came home and said “that was interesting, I had to derive some stuff because we hadn’t had it yet.” He got C’s in pretty much everything that year, 7th, and 8th because he refused to do “pointless homework.” He’d sit and work out exactly how much he had to do to pass. After 9th, we sent him to a school that graded on tests and considered homework ungraded practice. He spent two years there and went to MIT at 16 (at the end of his junior year). He’s now starting (age 30) some innovative businesses. Still only works hard if it’s interesting. But if he’s interested… Watch out!

Just checking for clarity. @HImom are you saying that your preschooler worked to change the placement at his preschool…or that his scores worked to do so? I can’t believe that a three year old would be consulted about how,the preschool place,EMT test scores should be changed.

I’m a speech pathologist. Early terrific oral communication skills are not always an indication of gifted kids. Some kids are just early and precocious talkers.

Also, there are plenty of kids who are not early talkers who are very bright.

We had one of each of these on our household.

very intresting article.

@morrismm --re your bankteller brilliant son: My D, also brilliant, was invited to do the Johns Hopkins programs after taking the tests, as was her brother–even with their high scores, neither had any interest. She did excel in college and graduated from a fine LAC Phi Beta Kappa. After that, though, she has had no interest in grad school, and she works as a community organizer–which she is extremely good at, but doesn’t require her degree, and pays very little. Her H works at the same place.

Despite a very moderate combined income, they own a house and lead a good life, hoping to start a family soon. So if your S doesn’t make much, just encourage him to be an extremely frugal person. :slight_smile:

S was trying to help the preschool director improve the nationally validated placement test while she was administering it to him–the director was astounded, as no child had tried to do that in her decades of administering the test. S did not try to change his placement–he just wanted to help make the test better (per his vision). S was placed with the other late-born kids at the preschool, where he thrived (he was born in November).

As someone who has actually attended CTY, I want to point out the startling lack of racial diversity there. It must be considered how racial disparities play in to giving inaccurate measures of intelligence, on tests such as the WISC, SAT, ACT, etc. This should be acknowledged, somewhere.

^ I would suspect that the pool of students who take the junior high tests for CTY are similarly non-diverse.