@Consolation you are adding details. And I remember how stupid even sober college boys can be and the dumb ideas they had. Climbing onto a second story roof to bang on a bathroom window is exactly the kind of dumb thing some would do.
Do you really think this couple was spending a great deal of time in the bathroom with this encounter? Because that’s another thing I remember about college boys. It really doesn’t take them very long.
@PetEngineer I have repeatedly said that I agree the investigators made the only decision they could with the information available.
@momtwogirls:
I got a chuckle out of your comment about it really doesn’t take them long…I heard the same thing from girls in college and from the gay guys, same thing, one gay friend of mine said they didn’t make stopwatches fine enough to time things lol.
@MaterS, the article, which was clearly very carefully written, says it was a “small house.” You can go back and read it yourself.
All I can say is that you folks knew the wrong college boys. ![]()
@musicprnt You said:
I’ve never heard of any case like this at the University of Florida; can you please provide a link outlining what happened there?
A bit of conflating here again - on this thread, we are talking about intoxicated people - that is what I limited my discussion to.
I was not talking about people who enter a blackout state for other physical reasons. There are conditions where people go in and out of blackout quickly, but these are not due to intoxication. And the long-term loss of memory can be detected within an hour or so. However, not sure why people think these conditions are relevant here because these are not intoxicated subjects and the causation is different.
For intoxicated people, basically one has to wait until they are sober to accurately assess whether a blackout state has occurred - and that usually takes several hours depending on how intoxicated they were because of the OTHER effects of alcohol on the body - intoxication is only one effect of alcohol on the body.
For example, alcohol reduces oxygen uptake in the body, particularly brain oxygen saturation levels. And a subset of the population is much more affected than others even after only a couple drinks. Someone may wake up and appear rather normal and seem sober, but his brain is functioning with reduced saturation oxygen levels and thus can easily be very foggy in answering questions for some time. This low brain oxygen condition can easily mimic a blackout state, even though blackout did not occur. But, then a few hours later, the person tests fine for long-term memory.
Just updating this thread with a follow up article in the Washington Post. Apparently, the block party where the sexual encounter in question, began between the two students, went on again this year. According to the article, efforts were made to tamp it down and provide alternative alcohol free events for the students which was somewhat successful. The block party sounded fairly rowdy to me…