Hurricane Maria

The entire grid wouldn’t need to be moved underground all at once. You could start with just the sections that were damaged, and slowly phase out damaged/worn out sections as they arise. Regardless, yes it would be a very expensive improvement, but it would prevent a lot of headaches in the long run. Also, the total cost might not be so bad when to factor in cost to repair everything that got damaged in this last storm + the ongoing maintenance costs of the grid + the predicted cost to continue repairing the grid every time a hurricane hits in the future.

As to whether or not it’s worth it would require a thorough cost assessment.

Our electrical lines are underground. During the Northridge earthquake we lived in an area where the lines were above ground. The lines bounced and swayed so much that they touched each other which blew out transformers all over the city. I don’t guess that happens underground. But then our department charges a lot for electricity and is not bankrupt.

We’ve got undeground, too. And yet, guess what happened every time the manhole flooded. (They did fix that, eventually.)

I don’t see the feasibility (or priority) in burying all across a poor island, remote areas, less populated.

Another benefit to underground is the aesthetics. Sure does look nicer! I think that’s one reason why much of Europe looks so picturesque. Not a reason to do it but definitely a fringe benefit.

All of it, then. The damage is widespread.

My borough has above ground power lines and we have power outages all the time.

You are so right.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/353685-trump-admin-denied-puerto-rico-request-to-let-hurricane-victims-use
Why would they do this?

^Absolutely crazy!

How does he expect the 95% of households without power to cook or refrigerate food?

There is no logic to the vast majority of SNAP rules so this doesn’t surprise me at all.

ETA:
Quoting for emphasis

Hm… what does Florida and Texas have that would be important to politicians that Puerto Rico doesn’t have? Hmm…

We have hurricanes here. We had major flooding last year. It is pretty much standard to waive the SNAP rules. Never heard of it not happening here.

@1or2Musicians thank you for that. As someone who doesn’t live in major-natural-disasters country, I wasn’t aware of that. It’s good to know.

=((

Maybe because the victims are ingrates with a lot of debt who aren’t willing to help themselves and want everything done for them and it wasn’t a real catastrophe and they’ve thrown our budget out of whack and we’ve already spent a lot of money on Puerto Rico and somebody said nasty things. [Not my words, these are all quotes]

“Why would they do this?”

If you have to ask you haven’t been paying attention.

At least Florida is being proactive. The state’s school funding will have to be increased to accommodate the expected influx of students and their needs. We were also reminded that Florida has teacher licensing reciprocity with PR along with the states so displaced teachers will be able to work, and fill in for extra demand.

Who knew how many different issues are involved in normal daily life? And the things money can’t buy if they are not available…

That was fast! The Florida Keys are opening for tourist business already.

http://www.latimes.com/travel/cruises/la-tr-cruises-caribbean-ports-reopen-after-hurricanes-20171002-story.html

Much of New Jersey was out of electricity for weeks after Sandy. Our power lines are above ground. Those above ground lines were repaired. No one lectured us on why we’re not replacing the entire system with underground lines. And we are much wealthier than PR. Weird, huh.

What astounds me is the US response to Puerto Rico reminded me of Nepal trying to respond after the huge earthquake, with authorities unable to get to all populations, unable to say how many people had died, if there were people in the rubble who could be saved… Because Nepal is a very poor country. How this comparison could appear to me for the US response to Irma in Puerto Rico astounded me when I realized it. I’ve been struggling with this for a couple days.

Just a few weeks ago, Irma blew accross and destroyed Barbuda, St Maartens/St Martin, St Barth’s, the British Virgin Islands. Their respective mainland is 7,000or 8,000 miles away. The islands’ population is diverse, too, and outside of tourists and hotel owners, quite poor. They too are overseas territories. So, French/British/Dutch equivalents of puerto Rico, except much farther away. But the response was totally different from what we saw for Puerto Rico. You can check TV5Monde or BBC Archives. First, there was extensive coverage immediately. Public radios set up a system just for the islands, relating weather, where to find water, where to get food, what to do if x or z happens, which could be caught on cell phones or broadcast easily. The following day water was being distributed and an under secretary on location, meeting with people, before higher uo came, all within a few days. Official presence, soldiers, came in helicopters (no airport). They came from the mainland to less affected territories about the same distance Florida is to PR, then came by boat and helicopter. People from the other islands (including Puerto Rico), took their personal boats non stop on the day long trip to evacuate mothers, babies, and children, as well as older people. There was looting so on the third or fourth day foot patrols started in addition to food and water distribution. The patrols also checked the prison. Helicopters checked the isolated areas and had food and water drops as well as tools/things to help. It was not all rosy: People complained loudly because most had lost their house, their business, were not provided with enough food or water. Families were scared. There were shortages everywhere. But within 5 days basic issues had been solved. The islands remained destroyed, the people homeless and penniless, but there was lot of mainland presence, good disaster response, well organized.
The contrast with Puerto Rico and that image of a developing nation unable to handle rescue and having trouble organizing in a time of disaster, struck and confused me especially because it is so fresh in my memory. If three nations could do it, so could we. What happened? It makes no sense to me.

Someone fell asleep at the wheel. What should have been done, what could have been done, I have no idea, but something didn’t go through as it should have.

@MYOS1634, While I think our government could have handled the situation in PR much better, we should recognize that the islands you mention are a fraction of the size of PR and with a fraction of the population. Dutch St. Maarten is 13 square miles, with a population of around 41,000. French St. Martin is 20 square miles with a population of 37,000.

The BVI’s are a bit bigger at 1,200 m2 but have a population of less than 31,000. By contrast Puerto Rico is 3,515 m2 with a population of 3.4 million.

In addition these countries were dealing with one disaster while have been stretched quite a bit thinner, with disasters in Houston, Florida, the USVI (population 103,000) and Puerto Rico.

But for a roll of paper towels…

And we’re a bigger country than France/Netherlands/UK with more resources at our disposal and at much closer range.

It looks like PREPA will be using stronger metal power poles to replace the wooden ones destroyed by the hurricane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2ofI2s6vI