I could've gone to an ivy, but depression during my sophomore year pretty much stopped me from doing so

You know what it says - people who go to NW succeed. And people who go to NE don’t succeed in life.

People who go to Lamar succeed. And people who go to Lamar don’t succeed.

Stop analyzing. Again, you will build a list. It can have all the reaches you want -after you have the sssured and affordable safety.

Again, stats are only part of the equation. No one can tell you what this means.

What will you do when you get to college and get a C? Way too much pressure and for no reason.

Please jump off. Stop reading about colleges. Go to a sporting event or get an ice cream. You are missing what everyone is telling you.

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I know I should probably relax because this whole college admissions thing is stressing me out a lot, but I want to go into CS and i’ve heard that school name matters a lot in getting job opportunities especially considering the state of the job market

School name does not necessarily mean as much in computer science.

@Mwfan1921 @MYOS1634 who are the CS experts on this forum?

Really, because kids from Stanford can’t find jobs. My nephew has a Poli Sci degree from Arizona and works for a FANG. He had to pass a bunch of tests he self studied for. I’ve mentored a UTK kid who’s had 3 internships and will be working in Seattle. I know Oracle just recruited a friend’s niece from UT Chattanooga and a poster’s kid who went to N Georgia got recruited by Google yet top school kids can’t find jobs. Another grad from this website, CS at Rutgers, is coming to Nashville to work for a large investment company - not in a CS role. these students have done something to set themselves apart.

Going to Rice guarantees you nada and by the way, kids last year posted they got into MIT but not BU. Into Cal but not SDSU. That’s how unpredictable this is.

You can’t control it but where you go will not change who you are, your strengths, values, ideals.

By the way, you have zero idea of the state of the job market in 5 years. Or if you’ll be in that major.

You will need to be adaptable and flexible. And btw, your US News top schools are not necessarily thought of as top CS schools. UMass is though as is UMD.

It’s going to be a long life if you are always panicked about something, frankly that’s not important. You are not even applying to colleges at this time so it shouldn’t be bothering you.

Have your parents taken you on visits, to even see what kind of schools you’d like?
Your basis for success in life is far different than reality.

Do you live on a wealthy street ? Look at where your neighbors went. In my wealthy neighborhood, we have Miss State, Bama, Arkansas, Nebraska, UTK, Lipscomb, Middle TN State, Belmont, Kentucky. Yes we have a Vandy and Cornell - whose parents own the house. A tech entrepreneur just bought a $1.5 million house on the lake. Cal State Fullerton if I heard correctly. Many wealthy never went to college at all

Is this from your parents, this stress ? I also find it hard to believe a Dr called you lazy. They’d lose their license. You may be hearing what you want to hear, not what is said.

Please get off the computer. It’s dangerous for you. Talk to someone. Follow the Rockets or Mavs. Get a job moving shopping carts from the parking lot at the HEB. That is of college admissions value. Lots of responsibility in that role.

This is not adding value. It’s leading you to a life of disappointment. - ok I’m done but please seek help. Please.

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My doctor didn’t directly call me lazy but she said something along the lines of, “Maybe what you’re describing is not a mental health issue, you should take some self-help classes and try to be accountable for yourself before you try to self-diagnose”. A lot of the stress is from my peers and to some extent my parents and it’s affecting my mental health

You are allowing it to. Please find diversions and a new set of friends. Maybe even a new school because few schools produce that many high end admittances. Very few. Maybe go to a public.

Know who has the most Natl Merit Scholars. Not sure if it’s Alabama any more but if not, they are close. Over 25% of U Tulsa’s class last year was Natl Merit Scholars. Why ? Likely the immense scholarships offered. Some of the best and brightest, as I showed you with the Auburn story above, have no interest in what you define as top schools. We have a family friend who was so into one school because of football, a public where his parents went. A very good, UT level public. Had he gotten in and he did, there was nowhere else he was going. Not Harvard, not Rice. He’s in your state now working for six figures at 24 at one of the top investment banks - not as a banker but some back office research role. He worked hard. You can too.

I’ll watch others now and wish you luck but I hope you never respond because you get off the screen. Just remember, nobody but you can stand in the way of where you apply. Have two affordable safeties and then take your shots. But make sure to visit - go to Rice, Trinity, SMU, A&M, UT or some out of state. See if they even fit you from a comfort pov.

Take care.

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Your obsession with class rank and top 20 schools is making you sick or maybe it is your actual sickness. You are in a toxic environment concerning colleges at home, at school and socially. You are under 18 and cannot access meds, and your parents don’t know a lot about schools other than top 20. Culturally your parents do not accept mental illness, and you have a doctor who told you, basically, to help yourself. This is not a good situation.

You need therapy, meds, more exposure to other colleges than top 20, and wise advice from a counselor to counteract all the toxic ideas surrounding you. These ideas seem embedded so that no matter what we post here to help, you come back with posts about class rank and top 20.

For CS, state schools are often the best choice. Someone mentioned UMass Amherst, one of the top programs for CS. Some of the top 20 schools are NOT as good as some publics for CS. Look into CS at UT Austin,

The problem here seems to be chasing prestige, not quality CS. Your environment - and you- measure the quality of an individual according to admission to top 20’s (and class rank, apparently, and to the decimal point). This is in my mind a cultural sickness and you have taken it in and it has infected you. Someday you will look back and see this but nothing we post here is going to get through. Your worth is not measured by college admissions. I wish you could stop stressing about grades, rank, and colleges but I am not sure you can without help that seems unavailable to you.

This is a caring supportive environment with a lot of collective experience. In my experience your depression is the absolute number one priority. Certainly not class rank. Things CAN get better and you can thrive.

In the meantime, try physical activity: sports, running, tai chi, yoga, martial arts, even walking until you are in a better situation. Or volunteering. I know that these things are hard if you are having trouble with motivation or getting out of bed, but needing to be somewhere at a certain time might help, exercise can release endorphins, and taking focus off academics might help too. Tai chi and martial arts can also feel empowering.

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Chiming in to say, forcefully, that no one – NO ONE – on this thread should be telling a kid a few Bs sophomore year means they won’t go to a T20 school! OP, no one here knows, and they can’t know, because an application has many parts, of which grades are one. And we don’t see the other parts. Lots of kids with less than perfect grades get into T20 schools!

Now that that’s out of the way, I also (forcefully!) echo what others have said: you can get a fantastic education and be very successful coming from a non-T20 school! Please don’t fixate on rank/prestige to the exclusion of all else.

Fit will be VERY important for you. Consider focusing on schools in the northeast. The culture will be very different from Texas! (My kids did the reverse – went from the northeast South and to TX)

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Only a medical professional should be giving you advice about medications.

In my opinion, you need a very very full physical exam first to rule out any reasons for your feelings. After that, only a licensed and certified professional should be giving you a diagnosis, and suggestions for treatment.

I agree, right now, you need to find positive things in your life, and my bet is there are some. Start there.

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You’ve gotten some excellent advice here, so I’ll just chime in briefly with my perspective. I’m a college professor with a PhD from an Ivy. I’ve taught undergrads at my Ivy and now, for many years, at a large state flagship. I’ve had many brilliant students at the state school, and a lot of my colleagues here are top scholars in their fields. My both daughters, with high stats and strong extracurriculars, didn’t pursue Ivies. The older one has recently graduated from what would be called a mid-ranked LAC where she has received a fantastic education that, in my view, is on par with that of an Ivy. She has already published a scholarly paper based on her senior thesis. One of her classmates has just received a Marshall scholarship which has a 3% acceptance rate. There are lots of great schools in this country, including those you (and your friends) have never heard of, with top students. Please try to get over this ranking-obsessed mindset and don’t let your friends’ immature opinions have such a detrimental impact on your self-worth and your overall mental health. You’ll do great. Hugs.

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There’s no such thing as “T20”, that’s totally arbitrary (in fact some prestige-obsessed students on the East or West Coast use “T40”, T30, T50 with as much certainty that’s the be-all End-all as you with your “T20”… Quite possibly the number reflects more their ability to memorize than anything else.)
In reality, there are many excellent colleges, most of which may not be widely known in the general population.
No I don’t mean Lamar BTW (which is fine but probably NOT where you want to go for a host of reasons) but just in Texas you have UT, UT Dallas, UTSA, Rice,Southwestern, Trinity, TCU, all of which deliver excellent CS/Cyber/Data Science&general education. (And you’re auto admit at all Texas publics, competitive for scholarships at UTD and UTSA, so breathe easy).
Then expand a bit and you’ll find literally a hundred of topnotch universities, some in tech hubs (meaning graduates from colleges with widely different ranges of selectivity can find a job in tech related fields simply because they’re nearby). Some colleges are in the middle of nowhere and have very tight-knit alumni networks that really help graduates.
A list doesn’t tell the whole story.
I bet your classmates have never heard of Bowdoin, Bryn Mawr, or Case Western; I am willing to bet a Nutella jar that they basically know a few names from a list+colleges with a state in their name. It’s like saying you know football because you can list a couple Superbowl winners.
Listing the obvious is the OPPOSITE of knowing about something.
You know those guys who can discuss third quarter strategy for hours, coach peewee, and do fantasy football for fun? They at least know something vs. those who just read rankings a couple times a year and don’t even watch games. It’s even worse for colleges since the rankings criteria aren’t ‘who won or lost x game’ but criteria that might change, with weighs that do change every year to “keep things interesting” aka sell magazines every year, such as whether other professors have heard of the research there or % students with Pell Grants who graduate in 5 years.
This website is a bunch of people who actually know what they’re talking about on the topic at hand: do you want to know the comparative advantages of the Dartmouth and Bowdoin outdoors clubs? What colleges have really good food choices? Where you can find an affordable-to-you safety that nevertheless offers strong courses in your major? You’re in the right place.

That being said it doesn’t make the social situation any less toxic for you.
Hoping the above information helps you fight the thoughts your (uninformed) peer group is trying to inject into your brain.

(Sidenote, wondering if you should watch Pluribus on Apple+. Not uplifting but might echo some of your thoughts&feelings while showing s.o resisting well-meaning but nevertheless toxic pressure )

Contrary to what many think, teenagers and your peer group don’t always know best. If they’re being toxic smile and nod while smugly thinking “you don’t know what you’re talking about” :grinning_face::grin:

In addition to a “good” college, you need a gay-friendly (or LGBTQ friendly) college - fortunately, there are lots of them and you don’t need to mention that as a criterion to anyone.
Further, with a family that makes 100-150k you’re likely to need colleges that meet need - would your parents run NPCs?

So, in my opinion, what you should be focused on is finding a gay-friendly college that either automatically covers tuition for families in your income range or that offers generous financial aid.

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I am sorry to hear that you are struggling.

There are free mental health hotlines for teens that have trained volunteers. Would you consider calling? They may be able to provide guidance as to how to educate/speak with your parents so that you can get the help you need. I am happy to hear you are making progress (noted above).

Your peers do not sound like they are a good fit for you. HS will not last forever, but this will not help you right now. Are there any clubs, volunteering, activities you can join where you can make some new friends?

You do not have to attend an Ivy League school to be successful. There are a lot of amazing schools out there- my advice is to choose one where you would thrive socially. There are very smart, accomplished students everywhere. Please do not listen to your peers (I recognize how hard it is).

Working on your mental health should be your top priority, and should be medically addressed before going away to college. Your future depends on this, and not whether or not you attend an Ivy (or similar school).

Best wishes.

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@supernova61 a good doctor will also do medical tests because there can sometimes be a treatable medical cause for fatigue and lack of motivation. Thyroid testing, anemia, a few other things could be checked. That might also be a back door to a depression screening. Maybe in Texas that is not done routinely but in many areas it is.

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Please don’t make “Ivy or Nothing” the focus of your ambition. Do you want to go to college? You can. There are literally hundreds of colleges that would be thrilled to admit someone with your stats. Your GPA is amazing and you will likely even be offered significant merit scholarships if you apply wisely.

I agree with others that you need to address your mental health sooner rather than later. Please talk to your parents, or if you don’t feel you can talk to them, talk to your school guidance counselor who will be able to help you. There is no need to go through all this alone. Good luck.

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Not to pile on but you’re “toxic” friends, are being “mean girls”.

Your GPA and your goals are fine.

Your GPA and your goals are fine!

Your rank, in the end, won’t matter because we don’t know what these schools are looking for.

“Perfect students” exist, but even they don’t get in where they expect to get into school.

The ivies/top schools have a small number of seats. Most of those seats are already filled with sons and daughters of billionaires, Olympic athletes and celebrities. There just isn’t room enough for everyone who wants to attend those schools.

I get that you’re depressed so I want you to understand something that occurs in every California medical office that I’ve been to this past year. (And I go almost daily because of my surgeries, my diabetes, and my health.)

Every surgeon, physician, physician’s assistant, specialist, physical therapist and nurse is asking the patients the same questions:

Are you having any symptoms of depression?Do you feel good about yourself? Do you want to cause harm or injury to yourself or anyone else?

It’s also posted in every waiting room I’ve been to this past year. They are addressing mental illness IMMEDIATELY in the visit, and in a couple of visits, they dismissed the nurse, to talk privately with me about this. I was impressed!
When I have car pooled with my adult children to their appointments, my kids asked me, “why are they bringing up mental health questions?”

If you were a patient locally, in California, you would’ve been asked this question during your visit. They want to erase the stigma that is negative about mental health. They’re bringing it out in the open because everyone needs a little help every once in a while.

When your pediatrician dismissed your concerns, SHE was the lazy one. She wasn’t willing to do the work of a good physician- caring for her patient’s needs and not the parents needs.
The “proof is in the pudding”, you have a phenomenal academic record; that’s not being lazy, that’s being industrious.

My daughter chose not to go to ivy, even though she got in. She went to SUNY Buffalo, in upstate New York because their programs almost guaranteed her an entrance into medical school. She changed majors and is a phenomenal CS electrical engineer double major! She has done extremely well here in California with a SUNY Buffalo education.

Don’t listen to your toxic, immature friends. Do what you want to do, when you want to do it and don’t be their “puppet”.

As for your parents, culturally they don’t want to be ashamed or embarrassed that somebody might need to see a counselor every once in a while.

You may be able to find a community clinic that you can attend, on your own, without your parents knowledge; that will fund you and will talk to you about your valid concerns.

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Also, in case it is helpful, I’m posting this link (“It gets better” is a message most high school students could benefit from hearing!)

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But people hiring for CS know lots of schools, have connections with CS profs at different schools.

Look at schools like Colo School of Mines. It is a Colorado state school, but there are a TON of students there from Texas. Many return to Texas after graduation but others travel the world (I’ve met several who work on oil platforms for a few years making megabucks before deciding they want to work on land). Is it a top 20 school? Not unless it is a list of the top 20 engineering schools (and I don’t know if there is such a thing). Or South Dakota School of Mines. Cheaper, easier to get accepted, but a great education.

You are going to get into college somewhere and it might surprise you where you choose to attend. Many years ago, a friend’s daughter focused on Harvard. She planned her hs classes around it, prepped for AP tests and SAT and even picked ECs based on it. And she got in! But she also got in to MIT, and MIT gave her a FA package she just couldn’t pass up (this was 40 years ago, so things were different in the financial aid world). And she lived happily ever after, not going to Harvard.

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@supernova61 , I have so much empathy for where you are right now. We have a lot in common. I also had a rough sophomore year (my grades were worse than yours) and thought I had ruined my chances at getting into college despite excellent freshman, junior, and senior years. I had mental health issues too and was medicated for a bit. For the record- it wasn’t the right choice for me but that doesn’t mean it isn’t for you. It might also be the case that you take medication for some time and then wean off of it as your life circumstances improve. I am sorry your parents and the people that surround you at the moment are dismissive of your reality.

Please let me promise you that it gets better. I am now a sophomore at an “elite” (T5) LAC and am genuinely doing great. I have incredible, supportive friends with whom I have made so many fun memories. I’m in a (same-sex) relationship with someone I care for deeply. I took classes this semester that made me weep with how much I love the material. Has anyone at my southern high school heard of my college? Nope! And ya know what? I really, truly, do not care. I only keep in touch with a couple of people from high school anyway, and employers and grad schools have definitely heard of my college. Look, my life isn’t perfect. I have bad days, as do we all. But I’m happy in a way that I didn’t know was possible when I was in high school, and I promise that it will get better for you, too- please PM me if you want someone to talk to. Good luck, OP. I’m rooting for you!!!

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Yay! Good for you!

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