<p>"What were your Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Scores? "</p>
<p>csdad, verbal comp “high average”. perceptual org “superior”.</p>
<p>I’m not sure I understand your post. There is nothing in there that would lead anyone to believe you are a “victim” of racism. </p>
<p>If anything more employers are hiring people based off of belonging to minority groups. People recognize diversity a lot more than they used to and many employers realize the importance of hiring people of all races. “White people” are not just handed jobs. They have to work as hard as everyone else too.</p>
<p>L3752L…You’ve discovered (the hard way unfortunately) the reality of the working world. How successful you are or will become really had very little to do with how “book smart” you were, or what your grades were, or what university you attended. It may have some impact on what job you initially get, but after that it’s all about PERFORMANCE.</p>
<p>You stated yourself that your “aren’t good” at your job, yet you somehow expect to advance through the ranks anyway? Based on what? If you don’t perform well at your job for whatever reason (improper training, poor attitude, lack of motivation, etc.) that is 100% your fault…not anyone else’s. The people you work with who went to those “lesser” schools (in your mind) but have advanced further than you have done so because of their work ethic and performance…not because of the color of your skin.</p>
<p>I would never be so naive as to claim that racism doesn’t still exist in today’s society, but to claim that it’s held you back is ridiculous. From what I read in this thread, it’s your own sense of entitlement and perceived superiority based on your academic record that’s held you back. You earned the educational opportunities you got and I congratulate you on that. But the working world is absolutely a “what have you done for me lately” environment, and trying to bask in the glow of past achievements instead of working hard to progress has put you where you are now. Take responsibility for and ownership of your shortcomings as much as you have for your past accomplishments and your situation may change.</p>
<p>I think one of the greatest misconceptions of a college education is that once one has completed a college education, or if one is the best in their class, that they are entitled to a certain lifestyle, job, career, etc. You see this all the time on CC with students(and remember most of these students are statistically “smart”) who assume that if they major in X major, they will have X career, and X paycheck after finishing undergrad. Life only works like that for a very very small minority, and event then one can’t assume or guess the reasons why they appear to be so “lucky” or “preferred”. Comparing oneself to those others doesn’t help you in the now. One can blame it on any number of factors, but in the long run, pointing fingers, doesn’t change anything. Sometimes the type of education that is really needed(as opposed to solely relying on a college education/degree) is how to get from point A to point B, what it takes to get there, how to get there, and what the best course of action is for whatever desired goal. Think about it, I’m not sure if you did it on your own, but it arguably took you some planning to get into college. If it didn’t, or if you relied heavily on other people, then you really can’t complain for not doing the “career” research to get where you want to be or would like to be.</p>
<p>There are some high school/college slackers, who upon studying a trade/new skills or starting a job where there is training provided, happen to just be at the right time and at the right place which leads them to high salaries, or promotions. Regardless of assumed “fate”, everything really is in your control. You just need to be more realistic.</p>
<p>A college education/degree and being smart/intellectual/what have you, sometimes just needs to be viewed as what it really is in retrospect to your life. You have a piece of paper that CAN show others that you have some skills/knowledge about something. The assumed connection that you are entitled to something because you possess a piece of paper or some skills doesn’t follow, you have to make it follow, you can’t expect others to do it for you.</p>
<p>I will say that if you really think race is an issue, change your way of thinking about the situation, or remind yourself that if it REALLY REALLY is an issue, then it’s “them, not you”. They’re the ones with the problem about your race, not you. Don’t let their problem affect you in trying and going for what you want. If you do nothing or let “their problem” get in the way, you’ll never get anywhere by staying idle.</p>
<p>More white people cry racism than do minorities to be honest - liberal whites who think they are superior when they feign indignation at anything that could be twisted to be racist. You needn’t feel like speaking about racism will upset white America - if anything, it will verify their existence. (Disclaimer: I’m a white liberal, but the racism stuff gets old).</p>
<p>Next point: Racism likely did play a role in your life - both good and bad. You probably got some extra points applying to school and jobs for being a minority, as employers and schools like diversity. Likewise, you likely were discriminated against slightly here and there, and it canceled out. Depends where you live honestly…try to live in a city of white liberals such as seattle, nyc, etc. They’ll throw themselves on you to hire you and seem post-race issues.</p>
<p>There are a lot of minorities who have managed to become successful even though there’s racism around. They just had something that you didn’t. And no, I doubt it was just looking more white.</p>
<p>You already mentioned that you weren’t good at your job. I don’t know what you were expecting to have right now instead.</p>
<p>Awesome, so we can get rid off affirmative action now</p>
<p>I’m really sick of the race card.</p>
<p>csdad, what do you make of the number-less “scores” I gave you?</p>
<p>When was the IQ test administered? Which test/version is it? How old were you and what year was it administered?</p>
<p>i don’t think racism had anything to do with it.</p>
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<p>In a word: no.</p>
<p>To elaborate: you have provided absolutely no evidence that would even vaguely suggest any hint of racism from anyone you have encountered. You have also avoided answering many questions in this thread, the most important being are you BarrySyd? If so, refer to the other thread for answers as to why you have failed at life. If not, still refer to the thread and learn that excuses such as suspected racism from <em>everyone</em> you have encountered in the professional world can not be justified.</p>
<p>Did they just give you the descriptors (average, high avg, superior, etc) or did you get scores? Was this part of a more comprehensive evaluation or did you just have an IQ test in isolation?</p>
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<p>The IQ test was done in isolation.</p>
<p>Am curious as to why you would choose to have an IQ test at this point. If I get a call for that, I usually ask the person what the purpose is, what they are looking for and what they are wanting to know. I do not usually do an IQ test just for the heck of it. That said, when a person has an evaluation, they are entitled to the records, meaning a report with the complete scores (rather than just the descriptors), though I would also caution a person not to get caught up in the numbers, as the scores have a confidence interval, meaning the scores fall in a range with 95% likelihood that if you were to do it over again the scores would fall in that range.</p>
<p>I remember being told that my perceptual index (not an IQ) is 130+ whereas my verbal index (not an IQ) is 120+.</p>
<p>What do you make of those numbers?</p>
<p>I would not be comfortable opining without actual subtest and composite scores. I am still wanting to understand why you elected to have an IQ test.</p>
<p>“I would not be comfortable opining without actual subtest and composite scores.”</p>
<p>Those are the only numbers I know off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Are they “good”?</p>
<p>" I am still wanting to understand why you elected to have an IQ test. "</p>
<p>I guess you could say I elected to take the IQ test, since no one forced me to do it, but it was my doctor’s idea that I take it after I told him how I was such a good student in high school and college but not so good outside of academia.</p>
<p>Could it be the opposite of racism? I’ll explain what I mean by way of example. </p>
<p>I am/was and intelligent female back in the day…good at math and science. Since I was female, I think I may have garnered extra attention along the way…but I can’t be sure if it was because I was female or not.</p>
<p>Like you, I am/was very book smart, great grades…but I don’t seem to do quite so well out in the real world. I was top in my class in high school and in college (chemical engineering) plus I was female…“WOW, Chem Engineering…WOW…You’re really special AND you’re a woman!” </p>
<p>Then I went out to the real world. No one cared that I was a Chem Eng major because so was everyone else. In fact, I was just a measly BS when everyone else was an MS or PHD. They didn’t care that I was female. It didn’t make things easier…it made things harder because I had to work twice as hard to show people I was equally as good. </p>
<p>I was so used to being ‘special’, my self-esteem took a huge hit when I was no longer anything special. Honestly, I still haven’t recovered. I’m still not that confident, intelligent woman that I used to be. That was 25 years ago. I still work on it everyday through personal development. </p>
<p>I don’t know if I explained that well, but maybe you are experiencing something similar. I think in the real world it doesn’t matter anymore what color you are or gender or social class you are from…you just need to get the job done.</p>