<p>but i also think that i should get some preference in admissions because I have to go through external circumstances due to my race that others dont have to. it really does bear down on your grades and mental health to go through what I did and I think I should have been given a little leeway for that</p>
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<p>Nice generalization, xokandykyssesox. As an African-American, I find that rather insulting that you place all “blacks” in the same category i.e. basketball-playing, lazy individuals. I dont even like basketball–I like soccer, but that is besides the point. What I dislike is when fellow African-Americans perpetuate the very stereotypes that you seem to hold so dear. Do me a favor and give credit to African-Americans who do go home and study their “asses off”–you apparently believe this is nonexistent. Some of you all watch too much television…</p>
<p>Also, dont place Asians in a stereotypical category either. Granted they are known for their incredible work ethic; however, there are many Asians who despise being placed in the category which, in their words, equates them to “unathletic, entertainment-challenged mathematical nerds.”</p>
<p>That being said, my problem with Affirmative Action is that it often is the equivalent to a social stigma. Many individuals will believe that you are incapable of succeeding without the quota. Oh well–I guess I will be proving them wrong next year.</p>
<p>Oh believe it or not, I’m going to Duke based on academics, not my basketball skills. Shocker huh?</p>
<p>“but i also think that i should get some preference in admissions because I have to go through external circumstances due to my race that others dont have to. it really does bear down on your grades and mental health to go through what I did and I think I should have been given a little leeway for that”</p>
<p>The essay is the place for that. Write about the obstacles you have had to overcome to get where you are, and the adcom should incorporate that into your overall picture as a part of your character. How well you persevere, how hard you work, etc. It should not however, just be accepted as default for anyone who happens to have dark skin.</p>
<p>stan, i applaud you for your dedication to succeed…you set a good example for all of us, white or black.</p>
<p>Here let me post this again for those of you too stupid to read. I will repeat as necessary, and I will bust out the final killer blow if u guys don’t read this. </p>
<p>By the way, in case you guys don’t know by now, Boston is one of the most racist cities in the US. Some say it is THE most racist city. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.susanohanian.org/show_research.html?id=29[/url]”>http://www.susanohanian.org/show_research.html?id=29</a> </p>
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<p>it might not be true either (as i stated). being an honest and being nice are two different things. the point is that someobe with these scores woudl have gotten at the place of his/her choice and someone would not. this is not nice.
to give someone (does not matter to whom) any advantage based on color of the skin is unfair and not nice. and it is a RACISM (=affrimative actions)</p>
<p>A black person getting 1200 on the SAT is the same as a white person getting 1500 on the SAT because College Board throws out questions blacks do better in.</p>
<p>but the way you guys talk about it, it seems as if every black person gets into these schools as long as if they have a decent score. I didnt get into my previous dream school, harvard (Stanford '09!!!) and i was waitliested at upenn. my best friend with a 1450 got rejected from duke. My cousin with a 1550 rejected from colombia and princeton. some kid this year that i met at a weekend got rejected from every ivy with a 1550. it just seems as if you guys look at the kids who get in and not at the ones who have had there dreams crushed as many of you</p>
<p>thanks for the acknowledgement deathcab. Its nice for me to meet people who respect me for what i have done</p>
<p>where is Jesse Jackson?</p>
<p>^ u forgot the rest of my quote.</p>
<p>because College Board throws out questions blacks do better in.</p>
<p>i applaud you for what you have done too stanmaster. But I have to point out that these types of hardships are shared by non-black people as well. Althought they won’t be exactly the same, social stigma is placed on many hardworking, ambitious students in bad environments. True, being in your position pretty much sucks. But many non-black students suffer similar amounts of social stigma from other forms of peer pressure </p>
<p>That said, this kind of thing would be perfect to write about in your essays…if written well it prob would be a great boost for college admisions. HOwever, automatically giving you the boost because of your skin color is not fair.</p>
<p>“Here let me post this again for those of you too stupid to read. I will repeat as necessary, and I will bust out the final killer blow if u guys don’t read this.”</p>
<p>Calm yourself. I read it and have been looking for other websites that either verify or contradict the stated information. I don’t take everything people tell me at face value.</p>
<p>I doubt if any of you were born Black, and had to go thru wat Stan went thru, you would not have done as well as him.</p>
<p>Of Course not Flavius. I might suggest white supremacy sites for you to find contradictory information.</p>
<p>Here you go.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.stormfront.org%5B/url%5D”>www.stormfront.org</a></p>
<p>BTW, I have come across many racists from Boston. So you can understand if I don’t take everything u say at face value, just like you don’t of the things I say.</p>
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i’d say you’d have been better off playing basketball…
or maybe therapy</p>
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probably because they didnt want you there xokandykyssesox… cuz you kind of suck.</p>
<p>Common, you can not be serious (about SAT). The problem is that majority of the black students go to the way worse school that white students. As a result their (black students) scores are lower.
However, to give someone an advantage is unfair.
Black community must take better care of the kids, families and education.
It will be next to impossible to improve anything via “affirmative actions” as because it is a RACISM. Some blacks will get better education while vast majority will still experience the same problems.
Time to change. Maybe Jesse JAckson is not right leader???</p>
<p>AA’s a fairly big issue at my high school, and we’ve decided to make something of our feelings about it.</p>
<p>In our government classes at school (I’m a senior), as a graded activity each class has been split into debate groups; the subject of the debate? Affirmative action. The person who brought up the subject of AA and said we should debate about it as our class activity: a white girl who was rejected from Harvard, Yale and Princeton. </p>
<p>When the teacher asked our class who was FOR affirmative action, the only kid who raised his hand was a black guy. In my friend’s class, the only people who raised their hands was a black girl and an Asian (shock!!) guy.</p>
<p>The Asian guy had been rejected from Harvard (with a perfect SAT, perfect GPA, tons of ECs etc); he’s going to a top-twenty uni on full scholarship. I asked him why he was for AA when he knew that it hurt the chances of qualified Asians. He said it wasn’t about it being an “Asian” thing, but about being about “equality” in general. He gave me a long lecture, using words like “leveling the playing field” and “equality” and “unequal opportunities” and used the “enviornment/society” issue-- that Asians, in general, are encouraged to succeed acadmically moreso than blacks in general. I agree with that statement, and I think that it’s a good point.</p>
<p>Someone back in the thread said that all blacks do when they go home is play basketball. I assume to have made that comment and be justified, you have met every single black kid in America and seen that they just play basketball after school. And that isn’t true. Showing that sort of generalization and racism only hinders you, and hinders people’s views on all Asians in general. </p>
<p>Some black people actually wouldn’t find it really offensive if someone said that blacks just go home and play good basketball (as it would be seen as a “good” thing, and not a “dumb athlete” issue). I am sure that some Asians actually wouldn’t consider it negative if someone made the comment that Asians just go home and study (as it would be seen as a “good” thing", and not a “total nerd-loser” issue).</p>
<p>THAT’S the enviornment/society issue-- I have seen Asians derided for being more athletically-minded by their Asian peers/parents “You just play sports, you’re dumb, you’re not a serious student”, and blacks being derided for being more academically-minded by their black peers, “You just study, you’re a nerd/sell-out/acting white” (ouch). I’ve seen both of those situations repeatedly and really haven’t seen it the other way around. </p>
<p>By the way, I don’t see threads bashing legacy kids right now. I have heard countless stories of very stupid people getting into Ivies, simply because they are rich and legacies (and they often happen to be white, but that’s another “argument”). So why the URM-bashing, exactly? Shouldn’t you be angry too when Jane Doe with the mansion for a home and Daddy’s Harvard diploma on his office wall gets into the Ivy, with a 1200 SAT and 3.0 GPA? What makes her more jusitfied and less worthy of derision by the angered people on this thread than the URMs who get into Ivies?</p>
<p>Asian Americans used to score 200 points higher than the average white at Harvard. Now it is down to about 80-100. For UC’s it is around 50 points. </p>
<p>URM affirmative action is something everyone should support. At the UC’s after affirmative action was lifted, black enrollment went down, mexicans went down, native americans went down, asians stayed the same or went down (even though Asians still averaged 50 points higher than whites on SAT), and only whites went up. </p>
<p>Everyone can clearly see that getting rid of affirmative action “purely on the basis of blind admissions” was a lie ( then how come Asian students are accepted at higher averages?). It was just a way to benefit whites, and no one else. </p>
<p>Bring URM Affirmative Action back. NOW</p>
<p>“Of Course not Flavius. I might suggest white supremacy sites for you to find contradictory information.”</p>
<p>This is essentially the number one reason I oppose affirmative action. A significant number of the people who support it are simply small frightened racist people who have obviously not learned anything from history nor from present circumstances.</p>
<p>I’d also encourage you to look up the definition of “verify”.</p>
<p>Ditto, hilary6. Oh and xokandykyssesox you dont know fully well that that Asian will succeed at Harvard. Merely basing college success off of a 1550 is absurd. There are many individuals with SAT scores over 1500 who flunked out of college due to the lack of focus. Of course this is the point where you come in and stereotype by saying “well since the person’s asian they will work hard.”</p>