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<p>That is again simply what you are told. It doesn’t mean it is true. It is very well possible the vaccines we take have nothing to do with what you claimed, do you or the doctors test each of these every time they are used. I think not. </p>
<p>I would never take a antibiotic and don’t eat processed food.</p>
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<p>Like I said, beyond help.</p>
<p>The fear surrounding this vaccination is unfortunate. Yes, I think it is good to look at the thngs we put in our bodies. </p>
<p>I come from a vaccination fearful family. I’ve looked at the arguments for stronger non specific immunity, and I’m not impressed. The Natives in this as well as other countries that were decimated by foreign diseases such as smallpox and measles had additive free diets and a lack of some of the debilitating influences on health caused by our modern lifestyles. </p>
<p>A foreign virus came though these communities, and wiped people out quickly and easily due to lack of immunity. The same thing happened in 1917. H1N1 is yet another foreign virus, at least to the under 50 crowd. Luckily H1N1 is not as frighteningly lethal as these other viruses. But there have been deaths, in pregnant women and children that were otherwise healtny. Winter, and real flu season has not yet even started. </p>
<p>The vaccine is the same one as the regular flu shot, which is typically a combination of the 3 viruses the CDC thinks are most likely to run through the population in the coming year. But this year, in addition to the predicted 3 viruses, there is a special one manufactured for H1N1. No prediction needed-it is here. </p>
<p>The flu shot is overwhelmingly safe. I have given hundreds and hundreds, asking each patient in the pre assessment paper if they’ve had any problems in past years. A little arm soreness, rarely some mild flu like symptoms are all anyone has mentioned. The statistics are very good. Yes, there is correlation with Guillian Barre, though their are also other causes for Guillan Barre, and some of the correlation could be coincidental, or not. </p>
<p>These days in much of the world we’re living rather carefree lives healthwise due to the vaccination efforts in past generations. Small pox is eradicated, polio is not a current concern, measles is not killing kids. Fifty to sixty years ago, parents were terrified of their kids contracting polio. What changed that? Massive vaccination campaigns. </p>
<p>There is a tendency toward irrational fear. We’re more afraid of flying than our daily statistically more dangerous commute. We have a method for keeping our population healthy, but reject this important vaccine out of various free floating anxieties that have very little statistical basis in reality. </p>
<p>For the most part vaccine refusers ride on the coattails of the general immunized population. In this case, I’m becoming concerned about the prevailing anxieties that will keep far too many from getting vaccinated to achieve that herd immunity. </p>
<p>Member, I’ve been exposed to various pieces of the anti vaccination arguments over decades, and I"m not impressed. Yes, we are playing with immune system function. For the most part we all live longer, healthier lives as a result. I’ve eaten strict natural foods diets, treated myself only with herbs, etc. I still got the flu every year till I started taking flu shots. </p>
<p>What has impressed me the most are the friends who carefully avoided pertussis vaccine for their infants. Two friends had kids that later came down with pertussis, and after months of being up comforting a child who was coughing to the point of throwing up, came to regret their decision. </p>
<p>I want my college students to get the vaccine ASAP. They can’t afford the time out of busy semesters to deal with this illness, and I want them to protect those around them as well. My kids are not life science majors, and need guidance on this as well as other health issues.</p>
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<p>I’m not paying any attention to those pointy-headed intellectuals with their “science” and their “books.” I’ll look it up in my gut.</p>
<p>Better wear your tinfoil hat- but not Reynold’s wrap, that one is controlled by the freemasons.</p>
<p>Fnord.</p>
<p>Many children have no vaccines and live fine healthy lives. Ive never had the flu, possibly only the common cold. If I ever had kids, they would never get vaccinations. Simply never.</p>
<p>so do those of you who don’t think allopathic medical care is natural- what sort of water do you drink/bathe in /wash your clothes?
[Pharmaceuticals</a> In Our Water Supplies](<a href=“http://ag.arizona.edu/azwater/awr/july00/feature1.htm]Pharmaceuticals”>http://ag.arizona.edu/azwater/awr/july00/feature1.htm)
<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/science/earth/03water.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/science/earth/03water.html</a>
[EPA</a> > Water > Safewater > Private Drinking Water Wells > Human Health](<a href=“http://www.epa.gov/privatewells/health.html]EPA”>http://www.epa.gov/privatewells/health.html)</p>
<p>You are aware the nasal vaccine recipients will SHED the virus and potentially infect others, correct? Believe one can shed viral proteins as long as 21-28 days post intranasal administration. </p>
<p>We had a SEVERE flu outbreak in a preschoool 3 years ago due to a teachers assistant shedding the virus. </p>
<p><a href=“Shedding and immunogenicity of live attenuated influenza vaccine virus in subjects 5-49 years of age - PubMed”>Shedding and immunogenicity of live attenuated influenza vaccine virus in subjects 5-49 years of age - PubMed;
Among subjects aged 5-8 years, 9-17 years, and 18-49 years, 44%, 27%, and 17% of subjects, respectively, shed vaccine virus after vaccination, and the mean number of positive samples per subject was 2.2, 1.8, and 1.5, respectively. Shedding occurred on days 1-11 postvaccination. Shedding incidence peaked on day 2, and maximum observed titers were highest on days 2-3 (<5, <4, and <3 log(10)TCID(50)/mL, respectively, by age group</p>
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TORONTO – An unpublished Canadian study that suggests getting an annual flu shot may make it easier to contract swine flu has caused most provincial governments in Canada to postpone or limit seasonal-flu vaccination programs.</p>
<p>The study remains a mystery in many ways. It is being reviewed for potential publication in a scientific journal, but the authors won’t say which one.</p>
<p>[Flu</a> Shots Delayed in Canada - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125487330214569325.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories]Flu”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125487330214569325.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories)</p>
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<p>We filter our own water, something the vast majority of municipal water supplies don’t do. I am fully aware of all the endocrine disruptor’s and medications in municipal water supplies. greatfully the nyc water supply, while it does litterly no filtering is very limited in its toxins. The catskills provide great water. </p>
<p>You all can claim that I am crazy and need a foil hat, But no real studies have been done on the vaccines and their sub products. Just because the mainline medical community scoffs some minor findings, doesn’t mean those findings are false. The main push for the Holocaust was scientific based eugenics. Eugenics was pushed as scientific fact, and millions of women and jews were killed based on the so called science. I highly suggest you all read The Impact of Science on Society by Bertrand Russell.</p>
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<p>samiamy - shedding the virus after a live vaccine doesn’t mean that others will necessarily come down with the disease. While it’s true that those who have a compromised immune system - HIV infected, on chemotherapy etc - could become infected, those with normal and healthy immune systems will not suffer.</p>
<p>Unless your preschool was full of sick children, I think the outbreak was just a coincidence.
The function of shedding the virus from a live vaccine actually assists in devloping herd immunity.</p>
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<p>My hat is made of felt rather than tinfoil, and I disagree with our anti-vaccination friend. However, for those who haven’t read it, Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future is really good reading, if you ever have a little time on your hands. The man is very intelligent and an excellent writer. Almost makes you forget the whole murder thing.</p>
<p>I got the flu shot last week and feel fine other than a very slightly sore shoulder. My kids got the nasal vaccine on Friday and felt fine over the weekend.</p>
<p>you can filter heavy metals out of the water- but if you have found a way to filter the drugs & chemicals, including hormones out of water you should get a prize.</p>
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<p>Id love to see one study that shows Thiomersal at the dosages that it is administered is considered safe. The FDA has certain guidelines and vaccines override those for kids. So please show me a study proving Thiomersal safe.</p>
<p>Two days before our high school was to administer the seasonal flu vaccine, they announced that the in-school vaccinations was canceled because the county health board determined that there were insufficient supplies of the vaccine available. There is no indication when, or even if, the school will reschedule the innoculations. And there’s absolutely no idea when, or if, the H1N1 will be available in our school district, yet a neighboring school district in our county has already announced that their supply of H1N1 vaccine is arriving and will be administered during the last week of this month.</p>
<p>I’m going to bring my daughter to a CVS to get the seasonal vaccine. I just wish I knew where I could bring my kids for the H1N1 vaccine. Frustrating.</p>
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[url=<a href=“http://www.flu.gov%5DFlu.gov%5B/url”>http://www.flu.gov]Flu.gov[/url</a>] might help. The H1N1 is just being rolled out and not available widely yet. Targeted populations are being offered the vaccine first, theoretically.</p>
<p>I had not heard of any shortages of seasonal flu vaccine. Perhaps demand is outpacing the normal supply this year.</p>
<p>^Thanks, JAM4. I’ve bookmarked the site link for PA. Up to now I’ve been taking this in stride, but I just found out this morning that a couple of parochial schools in our area have shut down due to H1N1, so I’m getting a bit anxious.</p>
<p>^^heard on the radio this am that CDC admits that spot-shortages exist for seasonal vaccines – depends on where you live.</p>
<p>Great Lakes Mom, yours is a very well reasoned argument; however, just because people are not in favor of getting the flu vaccine does not mean they are all “anti-vaccine” in all situations. Obviously, a virus with a high morbidity and mortality associated with it (polio, for example) should entail a massive vaccination effort. I disagree with every healthy person receiving a vaccine for what seems to be a mild illness, instead of saving the vaccine for populations that really need it. If I am exposed to the flu, won’t I make antibodies to every antigen in that flu, instead of only the ones the vaccine makers have decided to include? Wouldn’t this protect me MORE in the long run, 15 years down the road, whenh those minor antigens have reassorted into a new strain? I am still puzzled by the fact that flu vaccine must be given every year, when they have found that people exposed to those flu viruses 30 years ago still seem to have some immunity against it?!</p>