<p>i believe when they were forming the ivy league, they had to choose between colgate and brown for the 8th spot.</p>
<p>this makes me assume they would add colgate</p>
<p>Stanford and MIT</p>
<p>Cornell never had a religious affiliation attached to it, as far as I know</p>
<p>that would be correct. it was founded under the morill act as new yorks public land grant university. it took a reverse auburn(which was once a private methodist school) however and had some college go private</p>
<p>Notre Dame? I think nd is more of a Jusuit/Catholic Ivy than bc</p>
<p>Stanford, Colgate</p>
<p>Even before seeing par72’s post, I was going to say Colgate & Holy Cross. They are probably the two schools (both founded before Cornell) that play the eight Ivys the most often in sports and especially have a long standing traditional rivalry in football. Even today in football, Cornell has played Colgate more frequently than four of the eight Ivys and Colgate is top 10 most frequent with Yale, Princeton & Brown, while Holy Cross still has a long standing tradition with Harvard & Dartmouth. In terms of the top academic schools with division I sports, I think Stanford & Duke has the highest association. I certainly could understand an answer of Williams & Amherst too, although these schools are just so much smaller with no commonality in sports that they seem to have less of a relation, but any of these three pairings make sense to me.</p>
<p>I can’t see MIT being part of the Ivy League. Do they even have a football team? The Ivy League is an athletic conference.</p>
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Did you even read the rest of the thread?</p>
<p>If based on academic departments, prestige, and type of institution (liberal artsy vs technical) and disregarded geography I would say Stanford, Duke, Georgetown and Chicago (in that order)</p>
<p>Stanford, MIT</p>
<p>When I think of Ivy League, I think East. That rules out Stanford, so Duke and MIT are the obvious choices. Of course, Duke is an athletic beast so that would never work.</p>
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<p>Obviously, no.</p>
<p>Ivy hockey teams do not play in the Ivy League. Six of them play in ECACHL, Eastern College Athletic Conference Hockey League. When ECACHL was looking to add a new team last year. Holy Cross was one of the five colleges applied. If we follow the discussion in this thread, Holy Cross should be the obvious candidate. Sorry, folks, college sports are all about money. ECACHL accepted Quinnipiac University instead. If you wonder why ECACHL picked Quinnipiac over Holy Cross, it is because Quinnipiac would bring to the league a new arena and TV contract. Quinnipiac does not become better or more prestigious because it is playing against Ivy teams now. Holy Cross is not a worst school because it is rejected by ECACHL. Sports leagues do not look at prestige or academic standing as their criteria. They look at the bottom line.</p>
<p>Seven of the eight ivy schools were founded in Colonial days. They may have a historical reason to play together. I have not idea why Cornell joined. Perhaps Cornell team could bring in money for the league. Do any of the schools mentioned in the thread bring in more money? I am not sure. Why should the Ivy add them to the leagues? If any school wants to join Ivy League, maybe that school should promise BIG revenue for the league. UT Austin had a profit of 38.7 millions last year. USC made 12.6 million. Any school that guarantees a profit of 20 million for each Ivy League schools per year would be more that welcome by the league. Hey, 160 million per year will get the school into elite club. Unfortunately most schools do not care for the label. What a sad story!</p>
<p>I had been wondering why Quinnipiac was put into the ECAC instead of Holy Cross, especially in light of HC being so much better in hockey in recent years, including this year’s thrilling NCAA tourney upset of Minn. More money was the reason? Where does Holy Cross play that it wouldn’t be a new arena and why would this even matter? How was Quinnipiac (which is much lesser known) going to bring in more money and a TV contract better than Holy Cross? What were the other three schools? Can you site any articles referencing this? I would be interested to see. College sports are about money now, but not when the Ivy League was forming in the 1950’s. The schools were looking to de-emphasize football in the name of academics. The last thing those schools would want is UT in their league.</p>
<p>The other three schools are Mercyhurst, Niagara and Sacred Heart. This is the ECCHL official announcement on Quinnipiac website <a href=“http://quinnipiacbobcats.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/082404aac.html[/url]”>http://quinnipiacbobcats.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/082404aac.html</a>. Quinnipiac is breaking break ground on a new athletic center on the Sherman Avenue campus. The plans call for a 157,000-square-foot arena containing a basketball court and a hockey rink, joined by a common lobby area for concession stands and ticket sales. The center also will include: luxury suites, offices, locker rooms, club seating, conference and meeting rooms, a laundry, storage and weight-training facilities. The new Athletic Center is expected to open in January 2007. The revenues of this fancy arena and TV contract maybe be shared partially by visiting teams and the ECACHL. I cannot locate any website about the TV contract. Nevertheless I remembered clearly that the TV contract and new arena are listed as the reasons why ECACHL picked Qunnipiac over Holy Cross.</p>
<p>The poor Holy Cross plays in Hart Recreation Center, which was built in 1975 with only 1400 seats. I am sure the revenue is not going to be higher than the new big Qunnipiacs arena with those luxury suites sponsored by large corporations. I have not idea why Qunnipiac got a TV contract. Perhaps it is because the school is more prestigious than Holy Cross when it comes to college sports. No one cares as long as there is money to help the athletic departments. I think we emphasis too much on academy when looking to add more members for Ivy League. It is not what the Ivy League can do for the schools. It is how much money the schools can make for the League.</p>
<p>I’d say Duke and NYU.</p>
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<p>First let me say that this post above deserves an award (more on that later).</p>
<p>Next, all I can say is, “WOW!”, you know what each and every Ivy League school thinks AND you also know what each and every institution would do if a random school came to the League offering tons of money AND you know that each and every school would get down on their collective knees and bow down to this athletic cash cow???</p>
<p>Do you also have a special invitation to attend the Council of Ivy Group Presidents meetings?</p>
<p>Are you a secret agent clandestinely spying on behalf of an athletically inclined university looking to “buy” their way into the Ivies and you just couldn’t contain yourself and just had to spill your guts and share this extraordinary situation to the good folks at CC?</p>
<p>OR… (much more likely on this side of the sanity/twilight zone line) do you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about and then have the brass ■■■■■■■ to pawn it off as if these are facts and that you actually KNOW something?</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is:</p>
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<li>the Ivies aren’t going to “expand”</li>
<li>the Ivies have PLENTY of money</li>
<li>Athletics will never be the overriding no. 1 priority at the Ivies (esp. at the expense of Academics) - this is THE CORE FOUNDING PRINCIPAL of the institution in the FIRST PLACE:</li>
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<p>BUT, according to you, [INSERT ANY STATE UNIVERSITY WITH AMAZING SPORTS PROGRAM W/TONS OF MONEY] can just waltz into the Ivy League<a href="just%20as%20long%20as%20they%20pay%20$$$%20CH-CHING!!!**%20-%20because%20THAT’s%20what%20the%20IVIES%20REALLY%20CARE%20ABOUT">/b</a> … </p>
<p>AND, the only reason THIS HASN’T HAPPENED YET IS???.. (<strong><em>drum roll</em></strong>) … </p>
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<p>Sad indeed… Wow. Where to begin?</p>
<p>To your credit, your post does impressively accomplish a number of things simultaneously: CONTRADICTS REALITY, HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS OR FACT TO BACK UP YOUR ABSURD NOTIONS, IS 100% WRONG. </p>
<p>It is probably not only the single worst post I’ve ever read on CC, it’s not a stretch to say that it should be preserved and get a free pass and go directly to the “worst post ever written” Hall of Fame.</p>
<p>Congratulations, you’ve got my nomination.</p>
<p>Haha, I guess that you did not like my dry humor. Since I have not done any thing special to make it to any Hall of Fame. I am glad to be introducted. 
Peace.</p>
<p>Faber College and Adams College</p>