<p>It all comes down to one question: would you be happier with with the team doing a fundraiser you dislike, or the team disappearing?</p>
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<p>OT, but fascinating to me: I have a client who is, according to every man who has ever met her, gorgeous. Not Miss America gorgeous, but hot, sexy gorgeous. She is in commissioned sales and yes, men - even men at very high levels making very high dollar deals - do still think with their “pants.” </p>
<p>Here is how she gets customers: She belongs to several workout facilities frequented by the local male buisness elite. That gives her an excuse to walk around every moring in revealing sports tops out of which her chest no doubt bursts, tight yoga pants, etc. She doesn’t exercise a lot but makes a lot of contacts who are very interested in following up with her. I think this woman is making in the high six figures a year.</p>
<p>I’m in the Hell No club.</p>
<p>And not swayed by the “what if a parent owns the Hooters franchise” question. If a parent owns a cigarette company, an adult bookstore… does that make it an acceptable/appropriate sponsor? If such a parent wants to support the team, let him/her make a nice donation and put one of those “Go Team, We Love You from Mr. and Mrs. Mom and Dad” ads in the team program (without reference to his/her company).</p>
<p>missypie, years ago the mother of a friend of mine from work was an outside salesperson in the same industry. I had and have never, ever again in my life seen a closet like hers. How many pairs of high heels can any one person use? There was the red section, the blue section, the green section… I’m guessing she knew her stuff, she’d been in the industry a long time, but it would appear she felt it would help to use all her assets… Sigh…</p>
<p>P.S. Nothing wrong with sorting, some people just have a lot more to sort!</p>
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There are lots of ways to make money in this world, and people will or won’t do certain things to get money. If you believe that getting money is all that matters, then those are your “principles”. I imagine Bernie Madoff has similar ones.</p>
<p>But tell me, Ms. Blankmind, what harm is this fundraiser doing? Ohh wait, what’s that you say, it isn’t, it’s actually benefiting people?</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure that you are intelligent enough to come up with the negative aspect of this on your own, EliKresses.</p>
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<p>The harm is that it is SELLING the sexuality of young girls. </p>
<p>If you don’t see the harm in that, there is nothing more to be said to you.</p>
<p>Consolation and blankmind -2. EliKresses - 0.</p>
<p>Game, set, match.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I don’t see the harm, it’s their CHOICE to participate, it’s not like they’re being sold into sexual slavery or anything remotely similar to that. If they choose to participate then their minds are obviously already in that mindset, they’ve already been “corrupted” so to speak. Not that I consider wearing a bikini corrupted, that’s an assinine point of view. Bikinis shouldn’t be denounced as one of the ills of the world, there are bigger fish to fry.</p>
<p>When you think of all the bending and stretching that goes on with washing cars, girls in bikini tops or bottoms is inappropriate. </p>
<p>It’s very hard for any girl that has “something on top” to be bending over in a bikini top and not flash whoever is around. Same with bikini bottom ‘crawl’ that occurs with a lot of movement and bending. </p>
<p>Another type of fundraiser that annoys me…people with good incomes asking for money to pay for their child’s trip to things like People to People, etc… When my kids travel anywhere, I pay the whole shebang…I don’t have them going around begging for money from neighbors, friends, co-workers, relatives, etc. That said, I had NO PROBLEM paying for a low-income student’s senior trip when the high school principal told me that this child would not be able to attend otherwise. That is a different situation. That child would have felt very singled-out by being the only one not to go to this “capstone trip” that the seniors do every year…and they look forward to since frosh year.</p>
<p>China requested (yes, China did the requesting!) the jazz band at our local middle school to come and perform at some of China’s events…because supposedly there is this growing interest in “jazz music” in China. China is not paying a penny! (that would have been enough for me to say “no” right there. Well, the trip is costing about $7k per kid…and so every kid who is in this band has been up and down the neighborhoods asking (begging) for money to pay for this. OMG I told the mom of one of these kids that if China wants these kids there, China should host the event …with money…and lots of it. China is using these kids as “free entertainment” for their benefit!</p>
<p>M2CK, I agree on you with the part about China requesting the jazz band and being unwilling to pay a cent. It’s like the photographers who CHARGE aspiring models for a photoshoot. The funds should definitely flow the other way in both situations.</p>
<p>Back in the 70’s, we had car washes and owned string bikinis. Some of us even wore string bikinis when washing cars. The guys usually went shirtless. scandalous. I suppose if they spent more time laying on the car than actually washing it…
Plenty of women wear bikinis and play volleyball on the beach, swim at the beach and lie on the beach. Even family beaches in full view of a male audience.</p>
<p>I would not equate Hooters with a strip joint or an adult entertainment store. I admit I have never been to a Hooters but I know people who have taken their kids there. A friend of my daughter worked there and made a lot of money.
That said - I can’t stand most dance teams. Especially those with young girls. I would never have let my 8 year old daughter shake her hips.</p>
<p>m2ck - I am with you in not participating in a fundraiser to send kids on vacation. I won’t do it. </p>
<p>Around here the fundraisers are rather tame - mostly pizza etc. The sports teams don’t have a corporate sponsor - rather the parents pay. They raise $$$ by concessions.</p>
<p>Team blankmind/Consolation = 2 . EliKresses = -1.</p>
<p>Things going in the wrong direction with your “arguments”, Eli. Just sayin’.</p>
<p>No, things are going wrong with you all’s perception of reality. A Hooters uniform is equivalent to what’s worn in a regular high school gym class. It’s not even obscene.</p>
<p>I agree with mom of4 in post 33. I too, have seen dance groups of small kids, and middle-school age kids, and I find their costumes and moves too risque in my opinion. Yet certainly high school girls wear their swimsuits and generally feel very comfortable in them. Shall we outlaw dance-groups? Or must every dancer be at least 18?</p>
<p>I have enjoyed the beauty of the [adult] female figure, and have been to Hooters. As a male of about 50, I remember when the shorts they wear there are extremely close to everday young women’s shorts “back in my day” as the expression goes. Hooters may enjoy the benefits of those who complain they are too risque, but my wife enjoys their reubens, and has no objections. She adds that it is much the same as she wore everyday when she was their age. In fact, she wondered what all the hubub was about. She asked “This is it?” when we went in for the first time.
Hooters isn’t a strip bar or anything close. I have seen families eat there plenty of times. I hope that everyone here that objects to hooters as a sponsor has been there. It would be extremely unfair to suppose that they are too risque without having been there.</p>
<p>Thank you younghoss. My point exactly.</p>
<p>Both the fundraisers the OP mentioned are repulsive. And this is coming from a high school class officer who desperately needs fundraisers.</p>
<p>YH-it is called Hooters. What do you think that’s refering to? The fact that some people think that’s an appropriate place to bring their kids reflects on them–and their values.</p>
<p>If it was called t i t s would that be okay, too?</p>
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<p>Ummm… not in our high school’s gym classes, not even remotely; and believe me, I’ve seen what they wear. I drive by our high school all the time when students are outside on the track.</p>
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<p>Why you think schools don’t allow girls to wear bikinis during the day on campuses? Obviously administrations have other opinions than yours. </p>
<p>The only events where I think school dress codes can be amended are dances, formals and proms. While I certainly don’t like many of the dresses some of the girls wear (way to revealing), it’s a one-time event and it’s next to impossible to find anything that has more coverage. For a car wash, a bathing suit with a tank top and shorts worn over it are fine. You’re representing your school.</p>
<p>We’re talking about school-sponsored functions here. If you want to wear your bikini bathing suit, save it for the pool or beach.</p>