<p>From the Denver Post: <a href=“Chill out over global warming – The Denver Post”>Chill out over global warming – The Denver Post;
<p>There are a variety of views regarding global warming and cooling - this article puts a little reality check on the issue.</p>
<p>haha, for someone who’s family made millions from the tobacco industry…it sure is uncanny Al Gore going around talking about global warming…</p>
<p>Theres so much stuff people are hearing…that we’re destroying our earth. But that the next ice age is also right around the corner. Hydrogen cars are only eight years away…im sure the worlds oceans arent gonna rise 40ft in 8 years</p>
<p><a href=“ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/jones2004/jonesmannrogfig2c.txt[/url]”>ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/jones2004/jonesmannrogfig2c.txt</a></p>
<p><a href=“ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/jones2004/jonesmannrogfig4a.txt[/url]”>ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/jones2004/jonesmannrogfig4a.txt</a></p>
<p><a href=“ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pale/treering/recontructions/aisa/nepal/kathmandu_temp.txt[/url]”>ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pale/treering/recontructions/aisa/nepal/kathmandu_temp.txt</a></p>
<p><a href=“ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/treering/reconstructions/norway/norway_recon.txt[/url]”>ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/treering/reconstructions/norway/norway_recon.txt</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/temp/vostok/vostok.1999.temp.dat[/url]”>http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/temp/vostok/vostok.1999.temp.dat</a></p>
<p>Warming and cooling is cyclical.</p>
<p>The above includes ice core data, tree ring reconstruction, etc. None shows evidence of man made cooling.</p>
<p>Actually cutting back on burning hydrocarbons is not that difficult or expensive. There is one clear alternative and, sorry, wind farms and solar panels just won’t come close.</p>
<p>Xiggi–I favored $3 gas and even $5 would be OK. Especially if it made traffic lighter
;-)</p>
<p>“Our global warming problems won’t be solved by bleeding heart liberals, or pompous lying buffoons like Gore. It will be solved by our willingness to pay the correct price for our excesses, and correctly compensate the companies that invest in our future.”</p>
<p>This is what I was trying to get at (except without the swipe at Gore). If global warming is for real, then the risks involved must be addressed. Insurance companies are the key risk assumers in our society. They don’t want to sit on the sidelines if there is money to be made by assuming risk. However, there is a limit to the risk they can take on. If they perceive the risk to be too great, they’ll steer clear.</p>
<p>Yes, the canary in the coal mine could end up choking on some bird seed and its death mean nothing to the miner, but I would still advise watching what the insurance industry does over the next few years.</p>
<p>Xiggi - from your post it seems that you would find much to agree with in the film (except your opinion of Gore). The first step is getting people to understand the science, and why the leading scientists are convinced our planet is warming at a dangerous pace. Only then will people be able to get beyond their liberal and conservative name calling and find a way to make climate stability a profitable enterprise. The U.S. is pretty far behind this curve, and I expect the Chinese to be the ones to find the profit in the fix. They understand how much they have to lose if they don’t.</p>
<p>And yeah, I’d pay a premium for all energy if it would go toward green solutions. In the city of Los Angeles, one can do just that. Unfortuately my own power company doesn’t give us that option.
But our Prius is on order. ;)</p>
<p>WASHINGTON DC: In a speech today at the White House, the administration unveiled their solution for “alleged” Global Warming. “The answer,” President Bush told a select group of Senators, “is Nucular Winter!” </p>
<p>“Just think,” he said, “we could start in Iran, then go on to North Korea. Pretty soon, one will cancel the effect of the other, and we can get back to our oil addiction.”</p>
<p>WASHINGTON, DC: In a move today aimed at shoring up their liberal base, Democrats in Congress introduced a Constitutional Amendment to ban Global Warming. “We in Congress MUST do something about this. Global Warming is a threat to ‘normal weather’ and we must make a stand,” said Senator Russ Feingold.</p>
<p>Republican Bill Frist insisted that this was only a ploy used a signal to their eroding liberal base that the Democrats care about this issue. “There’s no chance of passage,” he said, “because there IS NO threat. It’s only a political stunt because the Democrats know that the liberals in this country are losing patience with them.”</p>
<p>Digmedia isn’t nearly as funny as he perceives himself to be.</p>
<p>Do not judge the movie until you see it…its AMAZING that the rest of the world, even our allies say there is global warming</p>
<p>Yes, it would be HORRIBLE if companies made fuel efficient cars with technology they already have, it would be HORRIBLE if people used appliances that saved energy, it would be horrible if american companies made cars people wanted to buy…wow such pinko ideas</p>
<p>See the movie, do the research, and why does the idea that there is global warming put people in such denial…</p>
<p>If Bush had said the liberals are melting the artic, some people would say yeah…its real, but because it goes against the grain that we could be screwing up the planet, why deny it?</p>
<p>Look at the pictures, look at the charts, and then tell me something isn’t going on</p>
<p>It is so sad that evenwhen pure science is presented it is still denied, guess it would have to be in the bible for some to believe it</p>
<p>Unh, it snowed here yesterday. Hard. And it hasn’t been as cold as it was this winter for about a decade. 2 weeks of -50 degrees F. I could use a little global warming about now. :)</p>
<p>“… and why does the idea that there is global warming put people in such denial…”</p>
<p>Our economy is dependent on fossil fuels. The industry creates millions of jobs and feeds millions of people, even while it creates much damage. That industry has tremendous power - especially with our current administration. Of course there is denial.
What we need is for the energy companies, and others, to see the economic opportunity in alternatives. We have the technology - other countries are successfully using other fuels and putting more resources toward their development. We need the political will to do the same.
We can’t wait for a new administration. Even though we have oilmen at the helm now who have their whole lives invested in fossil fuels, we need to insist on more investment in alternatives, as well as the production of the alternatives we do have but are not utilizing.
We can also make changes in our personal lives that will have an impact. Use less, waste less, care more. It can be done, for sure, and will be done. It’s really just a matter of how soon, and how much damage will have occurred before we make the necessary changes.</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone denies there has been global warming - over the past 10000 years since the last ice age. We also know that there are short term cycles and shifts in climate. What we don’t know is the effect of hydrocarbons on the climate. Our understanding of this effect may not be that important. We do know that energy demands are outpacing hydrocarbon production and we will eventually deplete the world reserves. Conservation may help in the short term; however, there is a huge potential increase in demand due to development in third world countries. Building cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles may also help, but only in the short term. We can also estimate energy production possible from wind and solar. Taping these resources on a massive scale will be extremely expensive and is very unlikely to replace the energy being consumed from hydrocarbons. It seems clear that nuclear energy is the only alternative. We can debate this for the next 10 or 20 years, but then we will realize there is no other choice.</p>
<p>How about those GM incentives for purchasers of the major gas hogs, like Suburbans? Way to go on rewarding the people who consume the most!</p>
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<p>Thank you for verifying my post.</p>
<p>Oh global warming is true, it’s the cause that’s in question. Google “Little Ice Age” and “Medieval Warm Period (MWP)” or “Medieval Climate Optimum”. This isn’t anything new.</p>
<p>Although I’m new to the forum, I must say I’m surprised to see on a COLLEGE forum such uniformed people who still believe global warming is some sort of a conspiracy. I guess I would have thought there would be more respect for scientists on here. What’s up with that?</p>
<p>Kids - I guess you missed the threads on “Intelligent Design”. Sometimes a strong intellect just gives people the ability to juggle concepts around enough to convince themselves of comfortable or appealing excuses for ignoring science.</p>
<p>As I said, for some, if global warming was in the bible, they would believe it, for others, because they fear to admit we have a problem, and its exponentially growing, is for them to admit that the people they follow- corporations and big government and their leaders- could be doing damage, and that they don’t really care aobut their kids, or their grandkids, because if they did care, they would see the film and judge it, not hide from the truth…the truth is scary for some people to see…</p>
<p>I guess the Nasa photos, the charts, the statistics, the melting world aren’t enoguh, and for those that have extra cold weather, well, see the movie, its all connected</p>