<p>You’re really not getting this … at all. I’ll break it down: </p>
<p>Ohio State, Arizona State, and Texas A&M may have as many fields (I haven’t checked), but they do not have the world-class quality of education.</p>
<p>Harvard, Princeton, and Yale may be ranked higher in many fields, but they do not have the breadth of fields.</p>
<p>Again: put the two together and you have the unique strength of Cornell. That strength isn’t for you. Fine. Now answer the question:</p>
<p>Lol arguing that cornell is like a state school when it’s partially a state school is pretty funny…
Uhm, the big three ivies are called the big threes for a reason…
How about we just post all of the ranking links in one post and call it a day?</p>
<p>You do realize the ivy league is a football league
Uh are you seriously arguing that harvard/yale/princeton offer a wider breath of fields than cornell? That is seriously false… It is true that they are stronger in a good number of the more traditional fields, but it is obvious that it does not offer the same quantity and the fields that cornell offers is anything but poor in quality.
If being like a state school means being a crappy school, are you also insulting Berkeley and UMich?
And since dartmouth and brown are often under cornell in rankings, are they also like state schools?</p>
All fields in italics it doesn’t make any sense to rank, as they are subjective fields. There can be no objectively “best” literature or philosophy program, as much as the NRC would like to claim it can authoritatively measure these programs</p>
<p>All fields in bold, Cornell dominates the rest of the Ivy League in depth and breadth at the undergrad level (with the exception of Princeton in some select fields, but even Princeton can’t match Cornell’s breadth of high-caliber courses in any of these fields). </p>
<p>Ahh i think i know why engineerbill is so frustrated now. He must have applied and got into harvard engineering only to realize it is trumped by cornell engineering. Maybe he should have done his research first.</p>
<p>They are consistently ranked like the top 3 schools in the world, and imo for a good reason. It doesn’t give you the excuse to trash a thread like this. Obviously, you take this thread way too seriously. Cornell students know that it’s not the best ivy, but they are not too happy for their school to be targeted as the “crappy ivy” because of being a large, partially state school and having a higher acceptance rate because of it. Some of the land grants and the privates are actually pretty hard to get into at the very least. And Cornell certainly does have a lot of merits, much more than they are usually given credit for on CC. Cornell offers them a wide array of research, internship, employment, etc. opportunities that other smaller ivies like brown and dartmouth cannot offer, and its hotel management, engineering, sciences, architecture, and art programs are among the best in the world. Cornell students vent their justified anger on a post like this. Why does it matter so much for you? That is the question.</p>
<p>I’ve already explained that most of the world doesn’t see anything wrong with a state school. So, your attempt to use that as a slight isn’t going to fly. When you graduate, I’d love for you to tell your boss who went to UNC or UMich or Berkeley just how superior people are from Brown or Yale. I’ve worked with them all. </p>
<p>You’re trying to pick a piece of this equation to make it the whole concept (just look at your absurd Texas A&M comment above):</p>
<p>Breadth of disciplines + quality of education within those disciplines = Cornell’s unique value</p>
<p>As I said - you have issues with prestige that you still need to work through. Best of luck to you. Good night.</p>
<p>Look you are the one that started all this bullcrap, i suggest YOU be quiet. Obviously you are not satisfied with the flame war now, and you want to continue such an abstract and pointless argument. You really cannot argue cornell is a better school than HYP holistically. In a handful of specific majors and areas, possibly yes. But not so much holistically.</p>
<p>It’s more disgraceful that you are on this forum arguing this if you are already a graduate and completely done with the college admissions process.</p>
<p>If it’s so abstract and pointless, why do you keep posting? Take the hint: read quietly and stop posting about where you think the “best education” and “best recruiting opportunities” are. You aren’t even here yet. Shut the **** up and finish high school.</p>
<p>I talk to my friends and family members who have been there. Is that so hard for you to imagine? My community is saturated with ivy graduates and undergrads. It’s not that hard to get an impression after talking to them individually and in a group especially after having known them for most of my life.</p>
<p>WillHeMakeIt, why don’t you rely on the strength of your arguments and points instead of being all emotional over something like this (abstract and pointless) and attacking my character instead as a means of invalidating my argument, as reasonable and moderate as it sounds? I mean, I am only a high school student after all, and it shouldn’t be too hard to out-reason a high school student right, because they are all so dumb and incapable of thought? This should really be a breeze for you.</p>
<p>Going back to before, cornell may be among the best (non-HYP Ivy), but it is not THE best of the best (HYP). If you wanted to go to a school that is de facto synonymous with the best of the best in most things except areas like engineering, go to harvard. Imo the education quality is pretty comparable between the ivy schools, the difference is that sprinkle of prestige and connotations of wealth, success, and power in almost every field that puts the cherry on top for harvard though that may not be the case in reality (But being ivy is already super-prestigious to begin with, so it’s that sliver of difference that gives harvard the edge).</p>
<p>remember, after getting into these schools, it wouldn’t amount to anything if the student relies on the prestige of the college alone. if an employer only needs to hear the name harvard to employ you, chances are saying that you went to cornell/went to any ivy league school would be just as effective (don’t say brown or dartmouth though because not many people even know them haha). If the employers are not shallow and looks at your gpa, course load, accomplishments, ecs, etc. then you are pretty much on your own. A name brand college is a tool for students to succeed. In the end it’s up to the student to establish his own success once this opportunity is given out to him/her.</p>
<p>Why does it not surprise me that duke is at the top for religion…
Oh and by the way, you two are making fools of yourselves by arguing this further It is hard to read the logic behind your arguments because they’re so blinded by emotion and not very informative to students who are looking to get information out of posts here, which is imo the original purpose of cc. This is now an all out flame war. While I enjoy what is left of my high school life, you two can argue this out in a virtual fistfight.
I am out.</p>
<p>I am not an engineering student haha. I would not know and you know how fickle ranking can be. How about for this we stick with the most widely known rankings, USNews, since you were talking about undergrad after all? Perhaps there’s a difference between undergrad and grad engineering (If you can find the 2010 version that’ll be great as well).</p>
<h1>1 Harvard English offers 35 undergraduate courses.</h1>
<p>Cornell English offers 40+ undergraduate courses (not counting Creative Writing or first-year writing seminars)</p>
<h1>1 Princeton History offers 33 undergraduate courses</h1>
<p>Cornell History offers 38 undergraduate courses (not counting individual research options, supervised readings, ethnic studies, or ILR Labor History courses)</p>
<p>It’s not so much of a discussion as it is an obnoxious flame war and a compilation of random ranking sites that people are not going to look at. I’m already a loser for participating in this.</p>
<p>I just had to point out the undergrad thing because i was pretty sure nobody would notice it… guess i was wrong.</p>
<p>Let me just say that no rankings are truly objective or even close to it, so all the arguments are pretty invalid anyways.</p>
<p>No he is definitely just listing graduate school rankings. UCSF doesn’t even offer an undergraduate program. Obviously HYP will dominate all graduate school rankings, as they have the most money dedicated toward funding research efforts. Cornell is a primarily undergraduate institution, and the idea of the thread was that Cornell offers the supreme undergraduate education, but that’s okay, we can’t expect EngineerBill to be rational. All he knows how to do is copy and paste lists.</p>
It is hard to read the logic behind your arguments because they’re so blinded by emotion and not very informative to students who are looking to get information out of posts here, which is imo the original purpose of cc. This is now an all out flame war. While I enjoy what is left of my high school life, you two can argue this out in a virtual fistfight.