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<p>Worst? You’re such an elitist prick.</p>
<p>^^ Worst not in the sense of bad university but just in the ranking. Just to indicate that everyone else actually matriculated to a higher rank (US News) university.</p>
<p>I got a lot of my books from the local library. I use Amazon.com to search for “College Admissions”(because they have better search engine) and use the author name or title to search my local library.
I know class rank is discussed in A for Admission, I know this is an old book but Michelle Hernandez wrote about how ranking affects AI calculation and that all schools have some similar system.</p>
<p>OT, I know some kids that were friends with my D that currently enroll at your D high school, they were admitted because they were good testers in the first place, especially if they enter the school after elementary school. The kids that were accepted to kindergarden maybe different.</p>
<p>Who the hell cares? It’s a freaking number.
Also, what school is this? Harker?</p>
<p>TooRichForAid: Thanks for the info; I’ll try to get my hands on A for admission and try to analyze the AI calculation. I may post my analysis if anything interesting comes up.</p>
<p>Also, NM SF standing is different for each state. It is not as hard to get for some students as others, so colleges aren’t going to be turning down students who don’t have the standing without considering the state in which the test was taken. The only way they could would be to look at each person’s NM SF along with his state cut-off and compare to the cut-offs of the other students with and without the standing. </p>
<p>Because your daughter’s school represents only your state, your calculations about NM SF standing and ivy matriculation are not going to be accurate in the 49 other states. The only way to determine this would be to ask each school itself. Otherwise, it could be put to coincidence, because it could simply be that the people scoring in the top 3% of 1.4 million juniors are the ones with other things going for them in admissions too (although this is a large generalization).</p>
<p>Carpe Aeternum: I understand all this but the question I raised due to the fact that everyone on the CC maintain that it is not a number game but when you look at students from the same environment (school or similar schools) you will find that it comes down to number game. You make one mistake and you are out.
Students making it to the NM SF have a higher probability of high SAT1 score, so it seems it is not a coincidence.</p>
<p>POIH, I read several books so that I can form a concensus on the SAT scores, and the general concensus is that as long as you pass the bar( use the Common Data Set to figure out where the bar is), it does not matter how high you go even if your D has the maximum on all SAT tests(4000 or 4800), it does not guarantee your D is in any of the top colleges. Other factors like her GPA, courseload, ECs, character, your application, essays, etc… will determine whether you are in or out.
So in other word, they have 2 piles, one is “to be read carefully”, and another is “to be read not so carefully(immediate reject)”. Your SAT scores need to be high enough so you can be in the to be read carefully category.
Note, I simplify as best as I could to make my point, so please don’t start debating on the exact specific on how they do it, that is not the point here.</p>
<p>TooRichForAid : I hope you are correct as ever since my D scored 770 on SAT II Math 2C and 780 SAT II Chem, I’m worried that she might be out of race for HYPMSC.</p>
<p>gee whiz, poih, get over your need for perfection, I would hate to be your daughter</p>
<p>ps- even the Ivies, don’t expect perfection, as shown that they reject “perfect” kids all the time, and accept wonderful kids, who gasp, missed a couple of questions on some SATs…</p>
<p>please please please stop this hunt…it seems you want more validation that your daughter is a failure for not being perfect than you really want reassurance that she will get into an amazing school</p>
<p>you keep starting these threads that are all about will your daughter get into an Ivy…my fear is that if she doesn’t through no fault of her own, that she will have failed you…you have such unreasonable expectations…</p>
<p>My daughter’s school is a public school not all that far from your daughter’s. There were 9 kids are heading off to HYPSM. There were I believe two NMSF, one of them was heading to Indiana. So I’m thinking there wasn’t really any sort of correlation at all.</p>
<p>POIH, I suggest you don’t trust any single source but rather form your own opinion from many different sources. However, your D is still a sophomore right? Don’t get all stressed out yet, the PSAT is in 11th grade.</p>
<p>She is a rising junior so will be giving her PSAT in October 2007.</p>
<p>Is this Harker?</p>
<p>POIH “ever since my D scored 770 on SAT II Math 2C and 780 SAT II Chem, I’m worried that she might be out of race for HYPMSC”</p>
<p>My dear you’ve hung around cc long enough to know better than to make a statement like that. What do you expect us to say “Yes, a 770 and 780 SAT2 mean she is out of contention for any top school.” And you know what, if somebody did say that, you would post 50 data sets proving them wrong. So what is the point? You know the answers to all of your questions. For the last time, Harker is a good school and your daughter is very smart. There really isn’t a need for you to post a thread every five minutes prompting strangers to tell you what you already know. You ought to be less focused on where your daughter will go in two years and more concerned if she will ever come back.</p>
<p>My sons’ public high schools generally have NMSFs in the dozens (about 65-75 between the two schools) and relatively few choose Ivies, though a decent number are accepted. The kids know there are better choices and take advantage of them!</p>
<p>It’s not a coincidence, it’s a connection. People who get NMSF generally have higher SATs which increase your chances of being accepted to a great college. Also, people who score higher on the SATs generally have higher GPAs. GPA and SATs are generally the two most important factors in admission to top schools like HYPSMC.</p>