is it hard to graduate from berkeley?

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<p>I presume that vicissitudes is talking about a cross-registration or other such cross-exchange system between Stanford and Berkeley, parallel to what exists between Harvard and MIT. The other issues, such as grading and selectivity, have already been discussed.</p>

<p>Interestingly enough, Stanford and Berkeley do have a cross-exchange program…for graduate students. Heck, it’s even specifically called the “Stanford-Berkeley Exchange Program”, and is available to any grad student past the 1st year who has at least a 3.0 GPA (which any half-decent grad student should have as a matter of course) and obtains the necessary approval (which I don’t think are that hard to get). Berkeley grad students can, through the Exchange Scholar program, obtain access to a myriad number of other top schools, including Harvard and MIT. </p>

<p>[FAQ:</a> Degrees](<a href=“Degree Progress - Berkeley Graduate Division”>Degree Progress - Berkeley Graduate Division)</p>

<p>Furthermore, Berkeley graduate students are allowed full visitor access, with borrowing privileges, to the libraries at Stanford, including the Green Library (which is a very nice library). However, Berkeley undergrads are specifically barred.</p>

<p>Faculty, academic or professional staff, and currently registered graduate students at UC Berkeley, Stanford University, and UT Austin are eligible to obtain materials that are needed to support teaching, learning, research, and other University-related work through RLCP. Undergraduate students and visiting scholars are not eligible for RLCP privileges.</p>

<p>[SULAIR:</a> RLCP: Eligibility and Registration](<a href=“Interlibrary loan | Libraries”>Interlibrary loan | Libraries)</p>

<p>I believe that’s just another indication of how the undergrads at Berkeley are basically second-class citizens (or 3rd class, if you consider the faculty and grad students to be 1st and 2nd class respectively). </p>

<p>However, on a practical note, I think the problem simply boils down to money. Berkeley has to pay fees to Stanford for every exchange student it sends, just like Harvard has to pay a fee for every student that cross-registers at MIT. Harvard and MIT have plenty of money and their undergrad programs are roughly the same size anyway, so the net fees from one school to the other are probably small. However, not only does Berkeley have far less money than those private schools, there are also far far more Berkeley undergrads than there are Stanford undergrads. Hence, the migration would be largely one-way. Couple that with the fact that a lot of Berkeley undergrads either didn’t get into and/or couldn’t afford Stanford but would probably want to spend a semester or two there just to get a taste of the Stanford experience that they couldn’t get otherwise. Heck, I would have done that. </p>

<p>But again, that’s just another example of how much more valued the grad students are at Berkeley.</p>

<p>“Couple that with the fact that a lot of Berkeley undergrads either didn’t get into and/or couldn’t afford Stanford but would probably want to spend a semester or two there just to get a taste of the Stanford experience that they couldn’t get otherwise. Heck, I would have done that.”</p>

<p>Sure, so would I likely. This would be very cool actually. Though, I have to wonder if most [diehard] undergrads at either of these school would actually suppress the feeling of rivalry and go try out the different departments. I know for a fact there are classes + professors I’m interested in at Stanford, even as a hopeful math Ph.D. student. </p>

<p>I guess one reason the grad students get the privileges [other than the fact that they obviously are valued more] is that the classes often may be of comparable size? Totally a wild guess though. This year the Berkeley math Ph.D. program supposedly is likely to have a class of 20 or fewer, when the size used to be a bit larger earlier. I think STanford’s is probably slightly less than 20 on average. So it’d obviously be very easy to arrange things I guess. Couple that with the fact that the fields Berkeley specializes in are often not the same ones Stanford does, and you have all the more reason for a mixing between schools.</p>

<p>Especially for purposes of my senior year…there are definitely some things I would approve of this Cross-Register thing for!</p>

<p>Regarding the OP’s question, it does appear hard to graduate from UC Berkeley. The [4</a> year graduation rate](<a href=“College Navigator - Compare Institutions”>College Navigator - Compare Institutions) is poor, especially considering the academic qualifications of its entering freshmen. The 5 and 6 year graduation rate is better, but it is supposed to be a four year college, correct?</p>

<p>Four year graduation rate at selective large public universities:</p>

<p>University of Virginia:…84%<br>
University of Michigan:…70%
UCLA:…66%
University of California, Berkeley:…61%</p>

<p>Does anyone know where to find the statistics of students admitted and graduating from each major at berkeley?</p>

<p>How do we find out who are bad teachers for Chemistry majors? and how do we pick our teachers??</p>

<p>There are no bad teachers, only either teachers that can teach you things or teachers that simply just look at the slides and repeat what they say. You can go here for a list of reviews for most of the teachers: [University</a> of California Berkeley - California - RateMyProfessors.com](<a href=“http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTeacher.jsp?sid=1072]University”>http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/SelectTeacher.jsp?sid=1072)
You pick your teachers when you select your classes.</p>

<p>thankks!!! this will become very helpful =)</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://ratemyprofessors.com/]RateMyProfessors.com[/url”>http://ratemyprofessors.com/]RateMyProfessors.com[/url</a>]</p>

<p>Student ratings of most professors at Berkeley.</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.pick-a-prof.com/]Pick-A-Prof[/url”>http://www.pick-a-prof.com/]Pick-A-Prof[/url</a>]</p>

<p>Past grading histories of classes/professors.</p>

<p>(I really shouldn’t post the second link, lol)</p>

<p>The more I read this thread over, the sadder I get. lol mainly because it’s what I assumed Berk would be like, having had an older sibling come here before. it’s really irritating tbqh. you’d think the system would be due for a change, but nope, admissions and grades still stay the way they are.</p>

<p>now for the real question… </p>

<p>which is harder? Berkeley, Cooper Union, or Webb? Assuming I major in some kind of engineering (and naval engineering if I go to Webb).</p>