<p>Ariesathena what you said about the resumes doesn’t surprise me at all. What does surprise me is that you would say that colleges would still grade women harder while knowing this information. I’m sure they could do the same study for black and hispanic resumes plan and simple because discrimination still and will always exist as long as it is socially important to document race and gender the census, in applications for colleges, etc.</p>
<p>Aries, you are overreacting, I am a Hispanic male in engineering. I know what it is like to be discriminated against and looked down on. I’m the only Hispanic male in my acc chem classes. And for you to get offended by asking someone to prove themselves is ridiculous, especially when that phrase was taken out of context. For your info, I would ask a guy to prove himself. I don’t assume a guy is competent, you assumed that. In fact I’m more likely to think a guy is arrogant and just will pretend he knows it (you know the ones you hate, why women in engineering quit? Guess what? I hate them too for thinking I’m stupid just because I don’t look like a freak or whatever). Gender doesn’t create competence in my eyes in addition to you misreading point of the phrase in the paragraph.</p>
<p>I know in a hot button issue, one important, like feminism for yourself, it is easy to not read into the actual meaning and pick out certain sentences and statements that can be used against someone. My point with that paragraph that is that it is easier for a man to get lost in school and work b/c it is more socially acceptable to do so and until women recognize that it’s okay to continue their education, and dont care if they aren’t married or dating, I think that things would change very quickly with more females teaching at higher levels or becoming increasingly academic. With men becoming academic it is not only okay for them to become weird, nerdy, and socially inept, but even somewhat accepted in the scientific community. So I was saying that women have more societal pressure put on them than guys (and most often from their own gender, how often do women hear it from their fellow girl-friends and mothers that you should find a guy and settle down, ridiculous and sexist I know but true, am I right?).</p>
<p>That was the point of that paragraph and why women need to “prove themselves” not because I need them to for my self-satisfaction, but for themselves to show that they have what it takes and to provide role models. There have been plenty of women in science, Curie, Hodgkin, Grace Murray Hopper for starters. By prove yourself I really meant actually doing what YOU girls are doing. And for all you women who have completed or are currently on your way to getting an engineering degree that’s “PROVING YOURSELF”. I’m surprised out of all of the lines in that post that was the one you took offense to.</p>
<p>Just so you all know I have girl-friends (engineering and non), a sister who goes to the same college as me, and a mother and if you think for one second that I am chauvinist you are nothing but a crazy person for not listening for what I have to say and starting arguments where there is nothing being contested. Aries, I am especially disappointed in you, seeing your tendency no to jump-to-conclusions and thoughtful mannerisms on other forums. When it comes to your own gender you obviously don’t share that same intelligent restraint that you show numerous other subjects that don’t cause mouthing off over a phrase. You should know that only causes uprisings and blind followers on threads when you focus on a single worthless phrase that meant nothing to the overall idea of the paragraph.</p>