“Ladies and Gentlemen. It gives me great pleasure to introduce the dean.”
ummm…no… not ladies and gentlemen
“It gives me great pleasure to introduce the dean.”
ummm…no…great pleasure? any pleasure? no it should not give me pleasure
“I would now like to introduce the dean.”
ummm…no Shouldn’t be at all about me…
“The Dean.”
That should do it.
And we’re back to our usual exaggerations and hypotheticals.
One would have to have zero sense of humor to not find Sax’s post #321 funny.
Maybe that’s part of the problem.
In digging further into this I am not sure why we all focused on just her article in the New England Law Review. That seems to me to be just one of the issues. I somehow missed this but within a few months of the “introduction” she suspended the stipends that were paid to the Law Review editors (a tradition at the school for 30 years). She also booted the poor Prof who stood up for the student from being the faculty advisor . She appointed someone new but offered the Prof a co-advisor position for the 2016-17 school year. He apparently told her to go jump in the lake.
So last week she had to send out a letter to angry alumni explaining her actions – no surprise the reasons given have no connection to the “introduction.” Perhaps I am a bit too cynical but I doubt those 2 occurrences were mere coincidences.
I have a great sense of humor, @busdriver11 – in fact, thousands of students over the last 15 years have remembered me primarily for my humorous approach to the grueling work I require.
Humor is subjective, of course, and jokes that “punch down” at women, minorities, and the poor invariably fail to tickle my funny bones.
Didn’t notice any of those bad things in Sax’s post… which is pretty amusing.
(Not that you implied you found something that doesn’t appear to be there - the post, itself.)
(I know a few gals named Dean.) But some “humor” is just snark. Not accusing, just saying.
Dean is the name of the South Korean hip-hop singer. Maybe this is why Marvin is so offended.
I’m not offended at all, and I have no idea why you’d think I am. I’m growing tired of the reliance on snark, mockery of people’s desire for equality, and–especially–reliance on slippery slopes and counterfactual hypotheticals, both of which are fallacious and not in line with good faith discourse.
If you do not understand the absurdity of the whole situation at FLAW then we cannot help you. Good thing that you cannot fire Sax or assign him/her grueling work.
Cool–I don’t need any help anyway!
“Humor is subjective, of course, and jokes that “punch down” at women, minorities, and the poor invariably fail to tickle my funny bones.”
Interesting perspective, to phrase it as jokes that, “punch down”. Funny, I never would have considered jokes as “punching down” at people, unless I thought those people were inferior in some way. I have been poor, but I never thought it was a permanent condition. I am a minority (in my job), but I never considered myself below the majority, I am full of confidence. I am a woman, yet never thought myself as being “beneath” a man, or below them in some way
Interesting that you seem to think those groups are inferior, and to make a joke against one of those groups is “punching down”, apparently from above? Quite revealing, but I’ll assure you that many people on this forum have a great deal of self worth, no matter what victim category you place them in.
Maybe “attempt to punch down” would have been the more loaded version. Or “punch at.” But we got the point. Or maybe he meant “punch into submission.” Yo.
See how it can be fun to play with what might be behind delivery?
I dunno, lookingfoward, you might just be trying to make it into something more palatable… and if I have to hear anymore of, “What he really meant, was…” my head might explode. TV, off!
There are some that are uncomfortable with women not being permanent victims, and under the guise of defending them, are trying to keep them in their place.
I didn’t think my statement would be hard to parse, but for you, here goes: By “punching down” I’m not at all commenting on inferiority/superiority; rather, I’m talking about relative power in an unequal society.
Hope that helps!
BD, true, the latter. But it doesn’t change that no matter our occupations, successes or role models, there’s still a lot of subconscious or unconscious division going on, by either side. It’s still a natural part of our communication. I found some comments in this thread to be some attempt to put a woman like the dean in her place, too. Jokes and snark aside, it’s hard to strip gender things out of our conversations. I’m not neurotic abut what people say to me, but get that some contexts require a little more care.
Well, you have to see the punching first before you need worry the direction.
fwiw… Sax’s joke is reminiscent of the old Soviet humor prior to the fall. If there’s punching going on at all, there’s always the possibility that it’s up.
“I didn’t think my statement would be hard to parse, but for you, here goes: By “punching down” I’m not at all commenting on inferiority/superiority; rather, I’m talking about relative power in an unequal society.”
We’re not in the Middle East, you know. Sorry to disillusion you, but many people feel equal to men, and feel quite empowered, no matter how many people like to tell them they’re not.
Your life is so much better when you decide you’re in control and have the power to do as you choose. Those pesky feminists!
I think many young women would gave no idea what you’re talking about.
“BD, true, the latter. But it doesn’t change that no matter our occupations, successes or role models, there’s still a lot of subconscious or unconscious division going on, by either side. It’s still a natural part of our communication. I found some comments in this thread to be some attempt to put a woman like the dean in her place, too. Jokes and snark aside, it’s hard to strip gender things out of our conversations. I’m not neurotic abut what people say to me, but get that some contexts require a little more care.”
Of course it’s hard to strip gender references out of our conversations. But is it really necessary to try, and if we don’t successfully do so, to be punished for it?
Wonder if the dean would hsve even mentioned or noticed the transgression, if the student in question was a woman.