<p>As an indicator for hire, perhaps, in your google example. That doesn’t mean a promotion or pay-raise indicator. </p>
<p>I’m perfectly calm. I’m just procrastinating on a business proposal I’m working on, which is why I’m not as successful financially as I’d like to be :-).</p>
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<p>I realize that it has been many years since I interviewed for a job, even longer since I finished college, but never once were my SAT/GRE/GMAT scores even mentioned. They certainly weren’t on my resume and weren’t on my final transcripts for undergrad or grad school (I checked). And after my “first” job, no employer ever asked for my transcripts, only a photocopies of my diplomas. </p>
<p>So…given that I have been “out of touch” for the past few years, I asked my DH about it. He does geo-science recruiting for a major oil company and is also a mentor for new hires during their first 3 years, in addition to his other responsibilities. </p>
<p>When I asked about the SAT scores of students he is interviewing - he just laughed. He said, “I interview MS and PhD candidates. I don’t care what their scores were in high school, although I do look at college GPAs. But most importantly, I want people who realize that just because they have an advanced degree doesn’t mean they know everything. I want people who are willing to learn, adaptable, dependable, able to handle responsibility, and understand the importance of teamwork.”</p>
<p>Then he laughed and said “Sh*%!!! Good think no one looked at my SAT scores. They sucked! I sometimes wonder how I got into college!” And he has degrees from George Washington and Duke.</p>
<p>"Also to point out that there are lots of people and even companies who think it can fair well as a long term performance indicator. "</p>
<p>I have never heard of any company asking for anyone’s SAT scores. Ever.</p>
<p>I doubt anyone uses the SAT’s to determine how well someone fares in life. I think the ability to spell might be a better indicator.</p>
<p>I had a manager who repeatedly badgered me as to how I had done on GMATs when I was applying to b-school. He did the same to others. No one told him and he was widely regarded as being tacky and out of place for asking. The program I was in was ranked #1 in the nation at the time and finally I turned to him in exasperation and said, “it was enough to get me into the #1 b-school, so I guess they were good enough.” He shut up after that. Finally.</p>
<p>The quote about Google hiring based on SAT scores is from a Guardian article, not from Google itself. I suppose it’s possible that Google does use SAT scores, and I have heard that yes, they do consider GPA as an imperfect metric. I’m skeptical that they rely “heavily” on SAT scores (meaning to the exclusion or downgrading of other factors) because it contradicts what I’ve heard about Google’s hiring policies from people who do work at Google. A high SAT but middling college performance is probably not going to do the trick. Here’s another quote about Google hiring:</p>
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). It wasn’t used for hiring per se, but it did generate a lot of news coverage and a lot of interest among possible new hires.</p>
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<p>See, how easy was it for you to recognize the value of the ability to spell correctly but refuse to accept the value of the abilities that might be required for a 17 year old to score > 750 on SAT1 CR.</p>
<p>SlitheyTove: Again the point of Google article was to refute the point that SAT1 is used solely for college admissions.</p>
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<p>Previous posts (not on this thread) on CC have mentioned people being asked for their SAT scores. Yes, it’s done, but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule. Given Google’s culture, I’m skeptical of the Guardian’s claim. </p>
<p>Spelling vs SAT scores: I can see every day my colleague’s ability (or not 
) to spell correctly. I have no idea whatsoever about their SAT scores. </p>
<p>If someone really wanted to study success vs SAT scores, they’d look at people who are 10-20-30-40 years out of high school, ask permission to get their score reports for the SAT, and then correlate those with various measures of “success”. Anything else is anecdotal.</p>
<p>Asking for an SAT score in an interview I doubt would ever happen because it presumes that everyone would have an SAT score. It would also open a crack as discrimination since a 50 year old employee (if he/she even took the SAT let alone could even remember his/her scores - which I can’t) would not be scaled the same as a recent college grad so even if Google asked they could not do anything formal with the info in my opinion.</p>
<p>"Previous posts (not on this thread) on CC have mentioned people being asked for their SAT scores. "</p>
<p>When I helped select people for entry level journalism jobs and internships, I asked their SAT scores sometimes. I particularly was interested in their verbal SAT scores because that gave me a basic read on their grammar and verbal comprehension, things that were important for the kind of positions I was interviewing them for. I particularly was interested in info that would help me determine whether they could be copy editors – jobs that at the time were hard to fill because many applicants lacked the grammatical and general knowledge skills necessary to be good at that kind of work.</p>
<p>To get such jobs, the applicants would have to take editing and grammar tests, so it’s not as if their SAT scores determined whether they got the jobs, but their SAT scores could help determine if they got to do the follow-up things (tests, formal interviews) required to for them to be considered to be hired.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, Northstarmom, what kind of verbal scores were you looking for and how did you double check if the answers you got were true?</p>
<p>Northstarmom - that is interesting and can see your point. But I can also see a large variety of issues with it.</p>
<p>So, you were using the SAT score as strictly a screening measure? Then -did these candidates take some sort of more relevant in-house assessment? Something that directly related to what they would be asked to do?</p>
<p>I love how everything is just an opinion or viewpoint, as if there is not a real answer (or means by which to empirical know the answer to the question). There is a lot of data out there already addressing this-- what someone’s guess is, well that is a different matter.</p>
<p>A study in 2008 in Psychological Sciences, found SAT scores at age 13 were very predictive of occupational success in either arts or sciences…at this young age, the truly exceptional were miles apart from the ‘just smart’ pack; but once you get to higher ages, everyone bunches together into the top 1% and thus it is not particularly predictive. I would contend its due to coaching…13 year olds with high scores reflect actual cognitive aptitude, whereas 17 year olds with high scores may just reflect a ton of coaching and practice. </p>
<p>If anyone is interested, i can send you the study. I just downloaded it into a pdf file. </p>
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<p>Because this quote above is pretty flimsy. What does it mean by creative achievements? Plus it seems the to stress the tilt more than the ability level. Also, it says it tracked the top 1% for 25 years. I’m assuming they tracked some students who were not in the top 1% for some contrast.</p>
<p>I do agree with much of what you say here though. And since this was an old version of the SAT I’d consider it more predictive.</p>
<p>Also, I’d be interested in seeing the “lots” of other data that’s out there. Maybe one or two citiations?</p>
<p>Sure, fair enough. I will try to post the above citation tomorrow (now on my office computer) as well as the other citations.</p>
<p>Success comes from EQ as much as IQ. Being well adjusted, personable and self motivated. Success also has little to do with how much you earn. </p>
<p>Superficial people are fixated on prestige, SAT scores and money. If those are your values, look out!</p>
<p>^ I agree.</p>
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<p>Never mind, I found it.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Peabody/SMPY/ParkPsychScience2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Peabody/SMPY/ParkPsychScience2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>It’s intreresting, but really not specifically relevant to the topic of this thread (remember, 1550 SAT predictive of life success). Allow me to summarize - First, it only considered a !% sample of students who were all identified from a mathematically gifted program. It gave these kids an SAT Math test (only math) at 13, the mean score of which was around 560. The primary conclusion was that students at this age with higher scores, tended to wind up with a higher terminal college degree, produced more patents, and authored more papers. I guess you could say this indicates greater success, or it could just indicate that these students pursue more academic endeavors. And we are not talking about huge numerical score differences among the groups.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don’t want to go through discussing the whole thing. I’ll admit it shows a correlation between the old SAT and some level of academic success, when you consider a very limited type of student population. But the study itself admits the limits of the SAT for testing the ability of superior students, admits there are conflicting studies, and admits that it is primarily concerned with success in science and techonolgy (what it calls STEM). It also admits, as you say in your initial post, it is pretty useless once we get to high school age kids.</p>
<p>So if the question is, when you give a 13 year old a Math test intended for high school juniors, they take it cold with no prep and score higher than most 18 year olds (and in many cases don’t miss a problem), is that an indicator they might be more destined for academic success in quantitative fields than the typical kid? Well,duh. But the premise of this thread is a bit more encompassing.</p>
<p>I disagree. It’s completely related. </p>
<p>The reason they did the study was because of the fact that prior studies could not find such correlations. This is one such study, using a more obscure subset of the population, which could produce relationships between SAT and conventional success measures. </p>
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<p>Yes, I guess we’ll just have to disagree. IMO, this study is way too limited to draw any general conclusions, and comes nowhere near addressing the OPs hypothesis.</p>
<p>Here is the topic of this thread, -
Is there a co-relation between high SAT1(M+CR) > 1550/1600 and success in life? </p>
<p>I’ll state the obvious. The study you quoted here doesn’t consider the verbal portion of the SAT period. The OP talks about an average score of 775, the average scores of these kids was around 560. THe study talks about an extremely small subset of the population, with a very limited metric of success. The OP’s statement is far more general.</p>