Is there anything "particular" one needs to do to aim for Law School?

[boston1993]

<p>^ Sure, but I was talking about grade inflation (as were you originally). So I did indeed prove my point.</p>

[jonri]

<p>Um…Boston…I gather you didn’t bother to read my posts. Do so.</p>

[boston1993]

<p>^I didn’t, sorry, I was responding to silverturtle. I’ll do that now.</p>

[silverturtle]

<p>

Sure, but I was talking about grade inflation (as were you originally). So I did indeed prove my point.

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<p>If your only point was to prove that elite privates practice grade inflation where “grade inflation” means that high GPA’s have become easier to get over time, then yes, you proved it. But if you wanted to prove a relevant point (i.e., that elite privates practice grade inflation where “grade inflation” means that high GPA’s are easier to get at elite privates), you did not.</p>

[boston1993]

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@jonri

So, at X large public --I have a real school in mind–the median gpa is “only” a 3.14. However, the median LSAT is a 149. </p>

<p>Now, contrast that with Ivy U, where the median LSDAS gpa is a 3.4 and the median LSAT is a 163. </p>

<p>The way LSs measure grade-inflation, the first school is MORE grade inflated than the second.

Being a bit selective with what schools you choose, eh? I don’t know what public you chose, but I know that you chose Princeton with the ivy. Why don’t you run the analysis again with Brown (Ivy-3.61) and UofAlabama (#79 us news-2.90). Alabama would probably be more grade deflated.</p>

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The LSDAS report also tells the LSs where your gpa is in the distribution. So if you have a 3.0 and that puts you in the bottom 25% of the class, LSs will know that.

Law schools don’t care though. =P</p>

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to determine whether LSs will consider your college’s gpa’s grade inflated/deflated.

Once again, law schools really don’t care. A 3.8 at random state school X is looked upon better than a 3.7 at an Ivy.</p>

[boston1993]

<p><a href=“i.e.,%20that%20elite%20privates%20practice%20grade%20inflation%20where%20%22grade%20inflation%22%20means%20that%20high%20GPA’s%20are%20easier%20to%20get%20at%20elite%20privates”>quote=silverturtle</a>

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I think it’s hard to prove on a large scale. Like, whether it’s harder to get a high gpa at Harvard versus UMass Amherst – that’s too time-consuming and too much math for me right now. But let’s look at some peer schools. Brown - Cornell - UofChicago. Brown has the highest gpa in the nation I believe. The average gpa of the latter schools are 0.2 or 0.3 or so behind Brown. However, the quality of the students are almost exactly the same. So it can be shown at a small level that Brown does indeed practice grade inflation. I probably agree, though, that it’s harder to get a high gpa at Harvard versus a state school like UMass Amherst.</p>

[silverturtle]

<p>

Once again, law schools really don’t care. A 3.8 at random state school X is looked upon better than a 3.7 at an Ivy.

</p>

<p>And you know this how? </p>

<p>Boston1993, take a look at these data:</p>

<p><a href=“Negative%20numbers%20are%20grade%20deflated%20and%20positive%20numbers%20are%20inflated.”>quote</a>
MIT -2.646136
Penn -1.486136
Carnegie Mellon Univ. -1.446136
Johns Hopkins -1.246136
Swarthmore -1.246136
UC Irvine -1.046136
Dartmouth -1.046136
Rutgers College -1.006136
William and Mary -1.006136
Princeton University -0.966136
Univ. of Chicago -0.966136
Univ. of Michigan -0.966136
Harvard University -0.926136
Williams College -0.886136
Princeton -0.806136
Yale -0.766136
Carleton College -0.686136
Cornell -0.686136
Duke University -0.686136
Trinity College CT -0.686136
Stanford -0.646136
UC - Berkeley -0.646136
Haverford College -0.646136
Oberlin College -0.646136
Pomona -0.646136
Pace Univ. -0.566136
Univ. of Virginia -0.526136
Middlebury College -0.506136
Rice -0.446136
Northwestern University -0.406136
Emory -0.406136
Columbia Univ. - Columbia College -0.326136
Univ. of Texas -0.286136
Georgetown University -0.246136
Boston University -0.206136
Middlebury -0.206136
UC - San Diego -0.206136
Univ. of Michigan - Ann Arbor -0.206136
Brown -0.166136
Emory -0.166136
Univ. of Notre Dame -0.166136
Notre Dame -0.126136
Bryn Mawr College -0.046136
Purdue University -0.046136
Tufts University -0.006136
Univ. of Rochester 0.033864
Tufts 0.073864
Univ. of California - Los Angeles 0.073864
Brandeis University 0.113864
Michigan State Univ. 0.153864
UCLA 0.153864
Univ. of Southern California 0.193864
Villanova University 0.353864
Baylor Univ. 0.353864
Univ. of Massachusetts - Amherst 0.353864
Boston College 0.373864
St. John’s Univ.-Jamaica 2.353864
Temple University 2.353864
Univ. of North Texas 2.753864
Jackson State University 3.153864

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[silverturtle]

<p>

I think it’s hard to prove on a large scale. Like, whether it’s harder to get a high gpa at Harvard versus UMass Amherst – that’s too time-consuming and too much math for me right now. But let’s look at some peer schools. Brown - Cornell - UofChicago. Brown has the highest gpa in the nation I believe. The average gpa of the latter schools are 0.2 or 0.3 or so behind Brown. However, the quality of the students are almost exactly the same. So it can be shown at a small level that Brown does indeed practice grade inflation.

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<p>Brown’s GPA cannot be compared with that of any other school.</p>

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I probably agree, though, that it’s harder to get a high gpa at Harvard versus a state school like UMass Amherst.

</p>

<p>Then what argument are you making?</p>

[boston1993]

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@silverturtle

And you know this how?

Law schools admissions is completely numbers based. At basically all law schools except Yale and Stanford, GPA and LSAT are essentially the only things that are taken into account.</p>

<p>

Boston1993, take a look at these data:

I’ve seen that data before, what’s the source?</p>

[boston1993]

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@silverturtle

Brown’s GPA cannot be compared with that of any other school.

Why not? And no, the open curriculum is not a valid answer to this. Because the gpa of Cornell and Chicago kids wouldn’t be an average of 0.2 or 0.3 less just because of the open curriculum.</p>

[silverturtle]

<p>

Law schools admissions is completely numbers based. At basically all law schools except Yale and Stanford, GPA and LSAT are essentially the only things that are taken into account.

</p>

<p>Again, you did not answer my question. </p>

<p>

I’ve seen that data before, what’s the source?

</p>

<p>Read through the thread that jonri posted.</p>

[silverturtle]

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Why not? And no, the open curriculum is not a valid answer to this. Because the gpa of Cornell and Chicago kids wouldn’t be an average of 0.2 or 0.3 less just because of the open curriculum.

</p>

<p>Brown does not give D’s or F’s. Brown does not give +'s or -'s on grades. Brown gives the option for any student to take a class pass/fail.</p>

[boston1993]

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@silverturtle

Again, you did not answer my question.

Your question was: And you know this how?
I don’t really know how to answer this question. But over this past summer, I have probably read enough on law school admissions to make a guide like you did for undergrad admissions. Read around this site [<a href=“http://www.top-law-schools.com/[/url]”>zzz keep but don't use Top Law Schools] and you’ll get the same answer.</p>

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Read through the thread that jonri posted.

I’ll take an excel sheet put together quickly by a cc’er with a grain of salt.</p>

[boston1993]

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@silverturtle

Brown does not give D’s or F’s. Brown does not give +'s or -'s on grades. Brown gives the option for any student to take a class pass/fail.

So the school is set up for grade inflation. =P</p>

[williamsdad]

<p>“Why not? And no, the open curriculum is not a valid answer to this. Because the gpa of Cornell and Chicago kids wouldn’t be an average of 0.2 or 0.3 less just because of the open curriculum.”</p>

<p>I think it could very well be because of the open curriculum. Kids can choose what they want, either because they like the subject or because the subject is easy. Either motive could end up causing a better grade, couldn’t it?</p>

[silverturtle]

<p>

Your question was: And you know this how?
I don’t really know how to answer this question. But over this past summer, I have probably read enough on law school admissions to make a guide like you did for undergrad admissions. Read around this site [<a href=“http://www.top-law-schools.com/][/url”>http://www.top-law-schools.com/][/url</a>] and you’ll get the same answer.

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<p>The significant overrepresentation of graduates of top private universities at the top law schools belies your claim. If one’s undergraduate college did not matter, the only differences in representation would be attributable to confounding variables. The extent of the overrepresentation renders that explanation insufficient in my mind.</p>

[boston1993]

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@silverturtle

The significant overrepresentation of graduates of top private universities at the top law schools belies your claim. If one’s undergraduate college did not matter, the only differences in representation would be attributable to confounding variables. The extent of the overrepresentation renders that explanation insufficient in my mind.

Nope. It’s mostly self-selection. Kids that got high sat scores and gpa’s in high schools are likely to get into a great college – and in return get a high lsat and high gpa. There is no evidence that law schools take into account undergrad school.</p>

[jonri]

<p>Boston,</p>

<p>You’re the one who came on here and claimed that the Ivies are grade inflated. You have not produced an iota of evidence to support that assertion. You HAVE proved that grades at Harvard and Yale are inflated now vs. what they were back 30-60 years ago, but you have NOT proved that the U of Alabama or any other college hasn’t had the same sort of grade inflation during the same period of time. </p>

<p>Your come back to the thread I posted is that you won’t trust an excel sheet posted by a cc-er. First, the CC in question explained his methodology and all the information needed to confirm or disprove it is set forth in the thread. If you can find an error in it, find it. Second, that partiuclar CCer got accepted to both a top medical school AND YHS law schools. He has LOTS of credibility on this site. </p>

<p>Moreover, you’re changing your argument–for at least the 3rd time in the thread. Now, you are claiming that a 3.8 will be treated the same by every law school whether it comes from Widget Directional State U or Harvard. ASSUME FOR THE MOMENT THAT THIS IS TRUE (I don’t think it is, but lets just assume so for the sake of argument). That does NOT prove --indeed it is not remotely relevant to–your argument that the Ivies are grade inflated. You’ve said absolutely NOTHING that supports your claim. Instead, you just keep changing what your claim IS.</p>

<p>Oh, and BTW, the data I used was not tor Princeton. Plus, the data for Princeton in the thread is from before it announced its plan to fight grade inflation. And I can’t use U of Alabama because I don’t know it’s median LSDAS calculated gpa and/or its LSAT. I searched its website but it doesn’t seem to have this data. Some colleges DO post it.</p>

[Bernard3]

<p>As for the data in question concerning GPA and grade inflation, I’m curious as to why Princeton has two different numbers. Probably not a major flaw, but which one is correct?</p>

[boston1993]

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@jonri

You’re the one who came on here and claimed that the Ivies are grade inflated. You have not produced an iota of evidence to support that assertion. You HAVE proved that grades at Harvard and Yale are inflated now vs. what they were back 30-60 years ago, but you have NOT proved that the U of Alabama or any other college hasn’t had the same sort of grade inflation during the same period of time.

…And you haven’t given an iota of evidence that Ivies are harder than normal colleges either. </p>

<p>

Your come back to the thread I posted is that you won’t trust an excel sheet posted by a cc-er. First, the CC in question explained his methodology and all the information needed to confirm or disprove it is set forth in the thread. If you can find an error in it, find it. Second, that partiuclar CCer got accepted to both a top medical school AND YHS law schools. He has LOTS of credibility on this site.

Eh, ok? But just an fyi, there are only three Ivies in the top ten most grade deflated schools – which goes to show that Ivies are not the hardest schools. Which proves my point.</p>

<p>

Moreover, you’re changing your argument–for at least the 3rd time in the
thread.

I never changed my argument. Maybe I added more, but I have never dropped any.</p>

<p>

Now, you are claiming that a 3.8 will be treated the same by every law school whether it comes from Widget Directional State U or Harvard. ASSUME FOR THE MOMENT THAT THIS IS TRUE (I don’t think it is, but lets just assume so for the sake of argument). That does NOT prove --indeed it is not remotely relevant to–your argument that the Ivies are grade inflated.

…What? I never said it does prove that Ivies are grade inflated. I was just pointing it out. </p>

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You’ve said absolutely NOTHING that supports your claim. Instead, you just keep changing what your claim IS.

Caps lock is cool. Also, I shall say the same to you: You’ve said absolutely NOTHING that supports your claim. Instead, you just keep changing what your claim IS. Good argument, huuh?</p>