<p>Here is an IQ question from a test I took as a girl. My mom was a teacher of special ed kids, and she wanted to see how I would do an a standard IQ test. This question was one we discussed:</p>
<p>Why do we send people to prison:</p>
<p>Punishment
Rehabilitation
Get them out of society</p>
<p>Which one is “correct”</p>
<p>A hint: There is the “correct” answer and then there is the “real” answers</p>
<p>That’s a remarkably ambiguous question; depending on whom you ask, all three answers could be both ‘correct’ and ‘real.’ One judge may view his role differently than another.</p>
<p>Yep, it was…that’s why I remember it so well…and the reality and the ideal are very different, but the “correct” answer was rehabilitation…and as a ten year old, even I knew that wasn’t effective</p>
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<p>i know very well that was what you were refering to. perhaps if you read my last reply thoroughly, you would have known that i DID talk about both Yano and Savant.</p>
<h2>my last post</h2>
<p>Marilyn vos Savant (born August 11, 1946) is an American newspaper columnist who deals with mathematical and logical puzzles, as well as more traditional self-help advice. Her column Ask Marilyn appears in Parade magazine, and she has used it as the basis of two books. </p>
<p>Her adult IQ has been estimated to be 180 using more modern techniques than were available in the 1960s. </p>
<p>**Her IQ of 228 has traditionally been billed as the world’s highest until 2003, when Sho Yano usurped the title with a figure so high that it is unmeasurable, but beyond 228. **</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.quicklyfind.com/info/Marilyn_vos_Savant.htm[/url]”>http://www.quicklyfind.com/info/Marilyn_vos_Savant.htm</a></p>
<p>IQ scores are interesting, but they seem to be only a part of what makes a person “smart”. Our kids’ IQ’s were tested when they were preschoolers by a friend who was studying psychology and needed some test subjects.</p>
<p>She wasn’t allowed to give out their scores, just percentiles. The child who scored in the 95th percentile doesn’t like to apply herself to studying and has not attended college (age 20). Granted, she reads philosophy for fun and composes poetry, but she is working in an unskilled profession.</p>
<p>The second child’s IQ score was about the 65th percentile. He is diligent and really applies himself to his studies. He’s attending college on scholarship.</p>
<p>The third child scored in the 85th percentile. He’s kind of the ADD/distractible yet creative type, so it will be interesting to see whether he ends up doing something brilliant or just muddling along.</p>
<p>For those of us who ARE experts in the arena of cognitive psychology and intelligence, we know that size of the memory organ (that’s the brain, especially the cortex) is NOT definitively tied to intelligence. The speed at which a person processes information, the capacity of her/his working memory, and the efficiency with which he/she can encode and then later retrieve information from short and long term memory as well as other information processing functions are probably what we are considering when we measure “IQ.” Each person will have an “architecture” to her/his brain that is unique and a combination of genetic, physiological, environmental, sociological, and educational factors. Most IQ testing does NOT, however, accurately measure creativity (something that is especially important in defining true genius, not just “statistical genius”…that is, genius defined as X number of standard deviations above the testing norm). In addition, recent research suggests that women have more connections between the 2 hemispheres of the brain (making the transmission and use of language superior in women, as well as leaving them with more resources in case of brain injury). That males have bigger “brains,” in an organic sense (weight), that does not necessarily mean that their cortexes are larger…and the cortex is critical in ALL our human thought processes. And, as one other poster commented, it is the efficiency and neuronal activity within that brain that will relate to intelligence. Perhaps being “dense,” in this sense, is a good thing, but having an efficient and complex mental architecture is even more important.</p>
<p>Exactly how is the IQ test biased towards women? I’ve heard that phrase thrown around many times, yet I’ve never seen any evidence that it actually is. biased. </p>
<p>I could see this study as being correct. Men and women are diferent in a tons of diferent ways, why not this one? Why is it so impossible that men have slightly smarter IQs then women? </p>
<p>In my expierence I’ve seen this to be true. For example, look at math and science classes. The people who perform the best in those classes are, in general male. Those are the kinds of classes where high IQs will actually help you out.</p>
<p>What I think main problem in this thread is that too many people associate IQ with intelligence. Intelligence is just not raw computing power. That really only helps you out in classes such as math or science. It doesnt give you the ability to compose a poem, write an essay or a ton of diferent things. </p>
<p>For example, look at me. On standarized tests I generally score in about the 55th percentile. Im pretty much in the middle of the middle as far as IQ goes. Yet due to my love for history I self-studied for the AP European and World History tests my sophomore year. I scored a 4 on AP Euro and a 5 on AP World History. I took full honors classes in high school and did well in them. Not because I have a high IQ, but just because I simply love to learn. </p>
<p>If you looked at my high school you would see that boys generally have higher SAT scores than girls. But if you looked at the top 10, only one person was male. </p>
<p>Its hard to define intelligence, but it is not a number. Everyone is smart in one way or another. The trick is figuring out how to utilize that intelligence. IQ is an interesting measuring stick, but it is not at all relevant to be useful. The only it is good for is bragging rights.</p>
<p>"If you looked at my high school you would see that boys generally have higher SAT scores than girls. But if you looked at the top 10, only one person was male. "</p>
<p>Why do you think that is and do you not think that the SAT test might be biased in some way if, as it is supposed to show capability in college, and represent what was learned in school, if the top ten in the school are girls but the boys score higher?</p>
<p>Three women-to-be were in the late stages of their multiple sex-chage operations. As they waited for their post-operative consultations, they were chatting in the waiting room. One asked “What was the most traumatic moment for you? For me, it was when I looked down and saw these huge knockers!” "The second one said “It was when I realized that my ***** was gone!” And the third one said “The worst moment for me was when they put that syringe in my ear and sucked out half my brain!”</p>
<p>“Why do you think that is and do you not think that the SAT test might be biased in some way if, as it is supposed to show capability in college, and represent what was learned in school, if the top ten in the school are girls but the boys score higher?”</p>
<p>We’ve all had the same teachers, we are all from about the same socio-economic class, we have had all of the same opportunities and I firmly believe that the SATs and a GPA measure two diferent things. How do you think it is biased? </p>
<p>I could flip it around and say that GPAs are biased towards girls, but I realize that guys and girls are treated the same in the classroom.</p>
<p>IQ tests are such b.S. They have questions like “who invented the lightbulb”</p>
<p>That’s a fact and cannot measure one’s aptitude</p>
<p>Shagpin said: “I realize that guys and girls are treated the same in the classroom.”</p>
<p>Actually, MANY studies show that this is not the case. The AAUW did a study in the Dark Ages (1993) that showed that boys received favorable treatment, with girls being castigated when they interrupted, and boys being listened to. More recent studies show that girls receive preferential treatment. But pay attention in any school situation, and you will see that boys and girls are not treated “the same.” They may be in the same room at the same time, but the treatment varies. As an example, think about any class: who’s the “class clown?” who waves their hands madly when a question is asked? who says “but’s that the weekend of the dance?” There are roles played in every classroom, and unless it’s a single-sex school, they usually divide by sex.</p>
<p>Being treated the same is not the same thing as acting the same, i.e., the “roles” you describe aren’t imposed on the students due to their sex.</p>
<p>You guys didn’t laugh at my joke! I love to tell it to feminists (and I R one, so we laugh together).</p>
<p>I would have laughed at the joke, but I didn’t get it…</p>
<p>There seems to be an obsession in our society concerning the discussion of general trends and the discovery of biases. Whether or not there is an innate difference in intelligence between males and females or among the races of the world, variations in individual abilities and characteristics are far more important. The notion that girls are better at language and boys at math is made trivial by the work of W. B. Yeats and Lise Meitner. Certainly, they are only two exceptional individuals, but I think they make a sufficient point.</p>