<p>you’ll probably get sued by UCB, schools don’t overlook things like this, and then you’ll be forced to goto UCB or jail. and when you go to UCB, everyone’ll hate you, especially the profs who think you have desecrated UCB and then your GPA will flunk to a 1.0. then the rest is history…</p>
<p>why didn’t you apply to penn in the first place?</p>
<p>There is nothing illegal about it; it is not even unethical. The penalty for withdrawing your acceptance to Berkeley is relinguishment of deposits. For those deferred to spring, they actually expect the students will consider going elsewhere, although usually that would be someplace starting in the fall before the spring semester start. Where you might have an issue is applying to Penn and trying to explain why you are applying after graduating high school. Not sure what Penn asks for its ED applicants but you are likely going to have to say something about the delay and it will be important to be honest. If you apply ED to Penn you are prohibited from applying ED elsewhere but your Berkeley decision was RA and not ED.</p>
<p>“What’s this about the Berkeley blacklist?”</p>
<p>People just created another college myth</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s unethical and it’s definitely not illegal. It’s really your choice, just realize that you’ll be forfeiting your deposit to Berkeley. This type of thing actually does happen all fo the time. A friend of mine did a similar thing for financial reasons-accepted school A’s admission and applied to school B. School B ended up giving her more money so she went to school B and just dealt with the fact that she forfeited her money.</p>
<p>I think he would have to explain that he has graduated h.s. is currently a spring admitt student a UCB, but has not started college yet. The trick is how is Penn going to perceive this information. </p>
<p>In some ways OP wants to have his cake and eat it to. while he does not want to defer, take a gap year, withdraw his admissions (which would be the ethical thing) or do anything that would jeopardize his UCB admissions, he wants to be able to apply ED a process that is usually reserved for graduating seniors applying for the first time.</p>
<p>Riddle me this,</p>
<p>you will still have to get rec’s from your GC, who unless you tellthem something will be forwarding your information to UCB after you graduate. what is to stop him/her from mentioning in their recommedation that you have been accepted to UCB starting in the spring (the truth) when you have done nothing to rectify the situation. Before you do anything, you need to get off of the fence.</p>
<p>Enygma8, this is ** not ** the same situation. The student is not having a “will I get off the waitlist scenario” – a waitlist usually means that a student was qualified enough to get into a school, but there wasn’t enough room. It’s an unusual but nevertheless still unethical scenario. I would be astonished to find if the Guidance Counselor said nothing about the dual application.</p>
<p>If you apply, however, telling UPENN the whole truth and still get in, then that’s a different matter and is not quite as ethical.</p>
<p>Enygma8, this is ** not ** the same situation. The student is not having a “will I get off the waitlist scenario” – a waitlist usually means that a student was qualified enough to get into a school, but there wasn’t enough room. It’s an unusual but nevertheless still unethical scenario. I would be astonished to find if the Guidance Counselor said nothing about the dual application.</p>
<p>If you apply, however, telling UPENN the whole truth and still get in, then that’s a different matter and is not quite as unethical.</p>
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<p>Actually, it is almost exactly the same. Berkeley offers spring admission to those students who are qualified but they do not have room for in the fall. In fact, this is a whole new ballgame at Berkeley and from what I understand, it was caused by funding issues, i.e. not enough funding to admit the same number of qualified students as in previous years. They offered community college with guaranteed admission after two yeras, then when funding came thru, they offered spring admission. Sounds like a total confusing disaster and I doubt that they have any idea what is ethical or unethical or even legal regarding spring admission considering I read that they are not even sure they will have funding for these spring admission kids. Maybe they straightened that out already. I’d be more concerned on the UPenn end of things. If it were me, I would call UPenn and ask, seems like common sense.</p>
<p>Why is it unethical? I don’t think it is as long as OP is honest. Is it any more unethical than a student going to a school declaring a major, and then changing that major? is it any more unethical than someone putting down their deposit then joining the army? A deposit is required as incentive to not change your mind. It is non-refundable as a consolation to the college/business, and a punishment for student. </p>
<p>Do you really think there is this big ole data base of kids who changed their minds and the colleges check it? </p>
<p>I am really curious. People don’t show up for spring sessions all the time. Do the schools go track 'em down? THey keep the money and move on. Can you imagine? Ms. Smith, why didn’t you come here? Um, I got a better offer…Well, you hurt our feelings so we are gonna punish you…don’t think so</p>
<p>Funny, I actually know a lot about this topic, from a grad school perspective. Columbia MBA has an early decision, but some candidates hear back from Harvard and Wharton a little afterwards. I know some people give up their 5K deposits and attend the other schools. Unethical? Perhaps. Illegal? No way.</p>
<p>Berkeley is a big public U, and they would care less. But, would suggest full disclosure to Penn, otherwise, it would be bordering unprofessional in that it stretches the ED process…</p>
<p>Just a quick question (I’m not hijacking this thread!)</p>
<p>How much are deposits?</p>
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its illegal... u might get arrested and get thrown in jail for a couple of years, and also face legal charges against u. be prepared to hire an expensive lawyer. on second thought, just flee the country be4 ending up in jail
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<p>yea, you’ll probably get arrested for even thinking about it…they might even issue the dealth penalty without so much as a trial…i’d move to mexico right now if i were you… :(</p>