Is University of Michigan truly a good school for me?

My thing is…Cornell has a similar reputation. Sure, it’s an Ivy, but Cornell’s known for having big Greek life - fully a third of men and a quarter of women are in one of the nearly 60 Greek organizations there. Not only do they have big Greek life, a lot of Greek organizations were either founded there or were one of the very early chapters - the vast majority of the IFC and NPC chapters were founded in the 1920s or earlier - so a lot of Cornell Greek students are heavily involved in Greek life at the regional and national level and come from generations of families that have attended Cornell and joined that particular chapter. Cornell also has a reputation for a party culture, and Ithaca as a quintessential college town. So if you’re worried about Greek life at Michigan, then you shouldn’t even touch Cornell.

And Northwestern? Fully 40 percent of Northwestern’s student body is in a Greek organization, of which there are 47 on campus. Northwestern being an old university, a lot of those chapters are old, too - Northwestern has had Greek presence since the mid-1800s. I’m less familiar with Northwestern’s social reputation but I would imagine at a campus that is 40% Greek, the Greek students would heavily influence social life.

But, some things I learned about Greek students in college and in graduate school when I supervised them: They tend to have above-average GPAs - chapter GPAs tend to be higher than the total student body’s; they tend to be heavily involved not just in the social but in the intellectual and public life of the university, running for student government, starting new organizations, and organizing charitable and philanthrophic activities; many of them actually tend to be quite focused and attentive in class, since they usually have a GPA minimum to meet in order to stay active in their org. Also, especially at schools where Greek life is dominant, all kinds of students join the orgs because that’s just what you do. They’re very diverse. It’s not all drinking and partying. (Also, some of the Greek orgs on campus frequently had events without alcohol - there was one house that NEVER had parties with alcohol. They tended to have live music and poetry readings. Admittedly, they started out as a literary society and evolved into a social co-ed fraternity later.) ALSO, take a look at the ranks of some of the most well-known and influential Americans. A disproportionate number of them were in fraternities or sororities in college. I’m not Greek, so I don’t have a horse in the race; it’s just personal observation.

Just saying.

OP, what decide you? Did you select Northwestern, Cornell, or the reviled UMich (i.e. the school full of “sorostitutes” and “meatheads”)?

This kid is in for an unpleasant surprise when the kids who set the curve in your classes are the Greek meatheads and partiers. You will find this at any school you go to. You go to the same college as these “inferiors” because they are just as smart as you.

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This discussion has raised 2 important questions for Ivy folk:

  1. (Re posts #56 & 58) Still on the edge of my seat waiting for more details on Princeton's improper bus system.
  2. (With a nod to post #60) Is Cornell ever going to change its name to "Sure, It's an Ivy, But University"?

^ With a 500 acre main campus, a “proper” Princeton bus system would seem much like the Bridge to Nowhere.

Yeah, but with Princeton’s endowment they could probably build an intra-campus heliport network if they wanted to. You’d think an efficient shuttle bus system would be easy…maybe they are not comfortable with additional members of the proletariat (bus drivers, ew) being among them.

My son will be a junior at Yale. My daughter will be a freshman at Michigan, and we just returned from her three-day orientation. Perhaps my brain and eyeballs only see “what I’m used to seeing” (at Yale), but considering Michigan is a public school and much larger, I’m amazed at the caliber of students I’ve encountered on each visit. The student body is as similarly diverse as Yale’s, and I’ve met genuinely sharp students. As I stood in the Law Quad, I called my son in Connecticut and said I felt like I was on his campus. I met a lot of kids who seemed just as bright, polished, and energetic as Yale’s. Regarding partying: it’s just as prevalent in the Ivies as the “Public Ivies.”