Is Yale Fading?

Yale isn’t fading, some other stars are shinning brighter and stealing the limelight. Stanford, Chicago, Rice, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Northwestern’s names are on every high schooler’s radar due to easy access to information thanks to internet. Ivies are now facing fierce competition.

This is a ridiculous conversation. Yale has a surplus of limelight. It’s consistently one of the world’s top universities.

@skieurope , I’m doubtful as to the legitimacy of this post. One, why would a postgrad student with “no job” be a tour guide at Yale? And isn’t that a job? Personally, I’ve never heard of a college where postgrads are tourguides. Two, the tour guide was asking everyone on the tour if they knew of any jobs? Really?

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^ I wonder if the tour guide referred to by OP wasn’t a Harvard spoof guide! There is precedent for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqsTatw-RTI

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Clickbait and some hysteria.

You may be correct, but my initial thought was the same as @BKSquared - fake guide. Regardless, I felt the whole thread ridiculous and lacked merit when the OP said, “The days it was known for engineering are long past” Perhaps those older than me know better, Yale for all its fine qualities was never, AFAIK, at the forefront of engineering.

Regardless, making off the wall posts is not a ToS violation. For anyone else that just considers it a joke post, then don’t feed the under-bridge dweller.

@TheBigChef May be ARWU rankings are skewed due to post graduate or STEM research factors? That’s usually a big disadvantage for smaller schools with undergrad and liberal arts focus.

It is one of my sincerest hopes that Yale sends a fading acceptance letter to my son next year. Oh, and a fading tuition waiver.

Gosh, DS attended a fading school. I had better not let him know; he’s really enjoying his job and would be devastated. :wink:

Penn students not busy at their internships?

Yale is notorious for grade inflation, and has refused to release GPA stats publicly for years:

"Yale College, the undergraduate school at Yale University, inflates grades: 62% of grades awarded to Yale undergraduates are A or A-. (Compare that to 40 years ago, when just 1 out of 10 grades fell in the A range.) "

https://www.businessinsider.com/13-schools-where-its-really-hard-to-fail-2013-5

“According to a 2017 Yale News article, 92% of Yale faculty believe there is grade inflation at Yale.”

https://ripplematch.com/journal/article/the-top-20-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-84ef5edf/

Are Yale and New Haven really as safe as the university and its defenders claim?

“Yale University faces a fine of $165,000 from the U.S. Department of Education for “serious and numerous” Clery Act violations, including failing to report forcible sex offenses.”

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_3280195?

I’m scratching my head, @Defensor. In the articles you posted, Harvard and Stanford, those notoriously declining institutions, are also listed, and the second article (which is the only one that purports to rank the schools) seems to indicate that Harvard and Stanford have worse grade inflation than Yale. What am I missing here?

I’m not sure why I’m the one who’s reading the articles you’re posting, rather than you, @Defensor, but if you’d actually read that Clery Act article, you’d have noticed that it’s six years old and is describing a fine imposed on Yale for minor reporting violations, including not adequately reporting four campus crimes that took place 17 and 18 years ago, in 2001-2002.

Again, I feel like I’m missing something. What’s behind all this? Are you trying to make people waste time?

Failure to report FOUR FORCIBLE SEX OFFENSES are “minor reporting violations”?!

US-DOE classified the violations as “serious and numerous”:

"Yale University faces a fine of $165,000 from the U.S. Department of Education for “serious and numerous” Clery Act violations, including failing to report forcible sex offenses.

Yale failed to report a total of four forcible sex offenses in its campus crime statistics…"

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_3280195

We are talking about an administrative failure to properly report four sex offenses - which may well have been student-on-student - 17 AND 18 YEARS AGO. These days, UChicago and Penn have in the teens to twenties of reported sex offenses a year, per government statistics. What on earth does reporting of sex offenses in the early 2000s have to do with how safe a campus - any campus - is today?

Unfortunately, I fear, as was said upthread, that I’m only feeding the under-bridge dweller…

Unlike @Defensor, I am currently studying at Yale and can say that while there are always “gut” classes available to lighten the typical course load of 5 or more classes plus extracurriculars taken by the typical student each semester, there is no “grade inflation” currently at Yale. Even for students who arrive having taken many AP, IB and even college classes, with weighted GPAs of 4.0 and above, the level of difficulty of Yale courses is unlike anything my classmates and I encountered in high school. The amount of work and commitment required to get an A in most courses is immense. And my friends and I have never felt unsafe anywhere on campus, the area surrounding the campus, or most parts of New Haven. Going to school here is a great privilege, and that is a view shared universally by my peers.

It appears that OP simply detests Yale. You’ll have to ask him why.
Most recent undergrad admission rate: 6.5%, and that’s out of a pool of amazing applicants.
Its graduate schools are national leaders, in a broad range of disciplines ranging from medicine to dramatic arts.
And if you want to be a Supreme Court justice, you’d better go to Yale(ok, they take some Harvard types, too).

Frankly, this thread makes no sense at all.

I’m afraid in the not too distant future, Yale will decide to rename itself. At present, the school is named in honor of Eli Yale, a profiteering Slave Trader responsible for the deaths of many Africans.

Yale already renamed one of its colleges formerly known as Calhoun…though Calhoun did not own slaves he certainly advocated for slavery.

@Teahupo, I’d take the other side of that bet. There’s considerable evidence that Coca Cola once contained cocaine. So?

He most certainly did.

Agreed. Never gonna happen, IMO.

The name of Woodrow Wilson, stone-cold racist who RE-segregated the Federal government, isn’t coming off any buildings at Princeton (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2015/11/20/9766896/woodrow-wilson-racist). I very much doubt that Yale would voluntarily perpetrate one of the bigger acts of voluntary brand destruction in history by changing its name.