<p>Interesting piece from today’s NYT
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<p>Iran is defitnely the threat. Israel really just wants peace, even if it has to acheve it through war. Iran is power hungery, and probably wouldn’t mind adding some territory to its borders.</p>
<p>I would say her borders, but the Iranian governent isn’t too big on women’s rights</p>
<p>brew,</p>
<p>Care to explain “definitely not”?</p>
<p>I can for him.</p>
<p>If you study up on the crusades, the Catholic church rapped, murdered, and pillaged in the name of God. Muslim’s have not forgotten.</p>
<p>I really don’t want to list all the Christian atrocities. A google search will suffice.</p>
<p>Martain Luther definitly had the right idea of pulling out of the Catholic Church</p>
<p>“If you study up on the crusades, the Catholic church rapped, murdered, and pillaged in the name of God. Muslim’s have not forgotten.”</p>
<p>Are you speaking for yourself?</p>
<p>No, as I am not catholic. There were no Luthern wars or crusades</p>
<p>bmanbs2–
Since you admonish others to brush up on history–were there any muslim crusades that may have preceded the Christian crusades?</p>
<p>“No, as I am not catholic. There were no Luthern wars or crusades”</p>
<p>The question was related to your statement that “Muslims have not forgotten.” </p>
<p>I asked if you were referring to yourself as a Muslim with a long memory.</p>
<p>No, sorry. I am not muslim, but obviously they have some good memories, or they wouldn’t hate christians so much.</p>
<p>And driver, of course there were muslim wars of agression. And if you brush up on your history (as in the history of this thread), you will find I’m supporting Israel.</p>
<p>Muslims had jihads long before the Crusades.</p>
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Yet you persist in suggesting that the muslim dislike for infidels has its origin in some particular actions of the infidels. i.e., they had it coming, much as some say the US deserved the 9/11 attacks.</p>
<p>I persist? Have a dictonary there?</p>
<p>The crusades are far from the origin, but they definitly don’t help. The west has frogotten the Muslim conquest of spain for the most part, but muslims can’t seem to let go.</p>
<p>“There were no Luthern wars or crusades”</p>
<p>Really? Are you sure about that?</p>
<p>Well, well, well. Did somebody here mention that the church should get involved? I certainly did not. What I am suggesting is a that both sides start exercising forgiveness and humility rather than perpetuating a situation that only gets worse with each conflict. If that is (pardon me) Christian, then so be it!</p>
<p>Wishful thinking on my part, of course, since what I am proposing may find an open ear with the populace but, no doubt, falls on deaf ones where it matters most – the “leaders” – who would rather wipe out every last one of his/her own kind than submit to humility. These are the people we admire and place in high office. </p>
<p>And, thank you, I am already quite well aware of that part of the Church’s history </p>
<p>Oh, yes, the Protestant church, now let’s see, shall we start listing all of its atrocities? You see, that kind of attitude is the same that is being employed in the Middle East. Less accusations and more listening, forgiving AND seeking forgiveness MUST be the order of the day if this is to be resolved once and for all.</p>
<p>BUT – IT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING TO DO – BAR NONE.</p>
<p>Actually, I am. There is no central power like the Pope is with the catholic church.</p>
<p>And the Luthern stronghold of this country is Minnesota. How radical are they?</p>
<p>Bmamb posted:"Actually, I am. There is no central power like the Pope is with the catholic church.</p>
<p>And the Luthern stronghold of this country is Minnesota. How radical are they?"</p>
<p>Do you even read what you type here? It certainly doesn’t seem like it, and you seem to have real trouble holding a timeline. You posted that there were no Lutheran wars. That is factually incorrect. Care to go back and edit?</p>
<p>I wish that a christian moderator could fix the crisis, leanid, as the christian principles would apply to it. I also wish that I could be Mr. Universe.</p>
<p>The point is, the mulims, radical or normal, don’t like being converted, just as I’m sure you’ve turned away Jehova’s witnesses from your door. It would be much better for a muslim cleric to tell them to stop the fighting, as they are far more likely to listen.</p>
<p>My only problems with the catholic church of today are these:
- Women can’t be priests
- Priests can’t marry (Why not let women be priests and let men and women priests marry?)
- That clergy can excommunicate people. That’s god’s job, not theirs
- That the chain of command (as in local Father up to the Pope) is the only way to heaven. I believe the Pope will go to heaven, but he doesn’t think I will.</p>
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<p>they have good memories of the rapping before the music died,…</p>
<p>spirit of cgm, be thou gone from this poor mr.universe,…
out, out I say !!</p>