<p>Until the temper tantrums by grown men…</p>
<p>Umm, cgm my post was not addressed to you nor did either my or EK4’s post refer to the World Cup.</p>
<p>You hear of soccer hooligans, not cricket or golf hooligans. It was never a gentlemanly game.</p>
<p>and of course there is rugby
Daughters college wasnt known for their sports teams, although their fencing team and ultimate? apparently does well, but rugby attracts quite a following.
I think their team name kinda says it all " The Berserk" ( oh sorry thats the mens ultimate team name)</p>
<p>Younger D has expressed a wish to pay Rugby, but the way that her teammates play soccer, it is already pretty physical. They make diving plays- but it likely just because they have fallen while running . ( their home field is dirt and sand, which rapidly becomes full of chuckholes and small lakes in front of the goal- bunnies also provide a “natural hazard”,as they don’t seem to notice the difference between a game and practice)
I know this is off topic but I appreciate that young women are encouraged to play team sports that are much different than the ones that were available when I was their age- basketball- lacrosse and soccer are much more assertive than ballet, gymnastics and track
( note I didn’t say more atheletic)</p>
<p>I wont bring up football anymore- but I just wanted to make the point that bad calls aren’t exclusive to soccer
And how many times has Seattle had to play a national championship?
Not a lot.</p>
<p>I always thought girls were against the aggressive, and sometimes brutal, sports that boys loved simply on principle, but now I realize there was a jealousy factor in play…well, have at it girls, just don’t mind if that pedestal of feminine ideal turns into a pit! ; )</p>
<p>From Zidane’s interview today:
"Zidane, soft-spoken and relaxed in two television interviews late Wednesday, did not explain exactly what Italian defender Marco Materazzi said that enraged him, but he said it was about his family.</p>
<p>“I would rather have taken a punch in the jaw than have heard that,” he told the Canal Plus channel, stressing that Materazzi’s language was “very harsh,” and that he repeated the insults several times…</p>
<p>“My act is not forgivable,” Zidane said. “But they must also punish the true guilty party, and the guilty party is the one who provokes…”</p>
<p>Despite his temper, Zidane is better known for his sportsmanship and dancer-like style with the ball. He is a national hero for the French and a symbol of a young, multicultural France. Born to Algerian immigrants, Zidane grew up playing on concrete in an impoverished neighborhood of Marseille.</p>
<p>President Jacques Chirac has had only kind words for Zidane since the match – reassuring him that France still “admires and loves him.” Many in France have already pardoned Zidane. A poll published Tuesday in Le Parisien newspaper showed that 61 percent of the 802 people questioned forgave Zidane.</p>
<p>Zidane said many people have asked him not to retire, but he said he would not change his mind…"
<a href=“http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/soccer/specials/world_cup/2006/07/12/bc.eu.spt.soc.france.zidane.ap/index.html?cnn=yes[/url]”>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/soccer/specials/world_cup/2006/07/12/bc.eu.spt.soc.france.zidane.ap/index.html?cnn=yes</a></p>
<p>Deeply apologetic but not contrite, I can’t help think of the Edith Piaf song “Je ne regrette pas”. The article in Le Monde indicates that Zidane did give a fairly clear indication about the nature of Matarazzi’s insults and that for the most part the lip readers quoted by much of the British tabloid press got it right. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-794882@51-794033,0.html[/url]”>http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3242,36-794882@51-794033,0.html</a></p>
<p>So, according to the English tabloids, lip readers said that the insulting words were that Zidane was “the son of a terroist whore.”</p>
<p>I can see why he got angry, and I have a lot of empathy for him. The people of Algerian descent face a lot of racism in France throughout their lives. </p>
<p>I wonder whether this is the kind of provacative language that soccer players and fans think is OK for players to sling at each other during games? If so, I am disappointed.</p>
<p>I think that trash talking of the type that, for instance, Muhammed Ali used to sling at his opponents is OK, but I think that if the words were what was quoted, hurling those kind of insults is despicable and should be unacceptable.</p>
<p>Really makes a statement about how far the players will have to change in order to live up to the slogan, “Say ‘no’ to racism.” Sad.</p>
<p>“Non, je ne regrette rien.”</p>
<p>Apparently, Zidane was worried about his mother who had recently been hospitalized. He also claims that Matarazzi included his sister in the insults, but did not specify their nature. </p>
<p>“Et ta soeur” is a deeply offensive insult in French.</p>
<p>“and your sister”??? Sounds like the very generic and completely inoffensive “your mama”. Sure, the obvious is implied in both, but what is missing here? It’s so insulting why? It’s such an evil insult that no one has ever dared utter these same words to him in a soccer match?? No need for any graphic detail…</p>
<p>This being a family forum, I will not explain why grown men come to blows when that insult is uttered. :)</p>
<p>LOL. C’mon, just give us the general meaning of this statment. We know that there is sex implied between the curse-slinger and the accursed relative and that perhaps the accurse relative practices the worlds oldest profession, but what else could possibly be implied? And is this such an uncommon utterance with such otherwise wicked implications? If not, then that makes the situation even worse from Zidane’s perspective. “Your Mama” or “Your Sister” are common insults that are not even taken remotely seriously during a battle of trash talking. Or perhaps the issue is that the French have no concept of trash talking?</p>
<p>Obviously, you do not know either French nor the French. Google it (I will only go so far as to say there is a controversial and highly provocative theatrical play that has a twist on the wording of the insult) and find out for yourself out of respect for the forum.</p>
<p>Leanid, btw, thanks I typed “pas” instead of “rien” no doubt thinking of Zidane - just chalk it up to artistic license.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>^thats obviously why I asked for a general interpretation, you pompous twit.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>he called his mom a vagina monologue?</p>
<p>Now you made me LOL - I didn’t even think anybody thought that was controversial anymore … and besides which it’s sister not mother. Oh, why bother - let’s just say that even for a rough guy like Zidane it’s too hard to take.</p>
<p>eng-dude:</p>
<p>People from different cultures react differently to the same terms. I was shocked, when coming to the US to hear people say “Jesus Christ” so promiscuously, but then I was told that saying Zut when deeply annoyed was a bit too jeune fille comme il faut. I’ve since then graduated to merde, now that my mother is not listening any more.
“Et ta soeur” invariably provoked the guys I knew to fisticuffs.
As well, Zidane is not just French but also a non-practising Muslim.</p>
<p>fair enough, and thanks for the explanation. Your examples of various figures of speech were helpful.</p>