Ironic you go on to lambaste me about detail only to have the reverse happen. No one gives your rankings credence anyways. I have equal loyalty to stanford (Ph.D) and hopkins (BS). Whether your ranking gives credit to one or none does not bother me given the reputation of either in the real world.
Iwannahelp, northwestern does quite poorly if you normalize by the number of students.
49/2014 (enrolled) = 2.4%, on par with JHU = 2.3%. Way behind Duke, Columbia, Chicago, most if not all the ivies and others.
@blah2008, definitely not the impression you gave. I was certain you went to one of the schools that is ranked much higher by USN than by alumni achievement metrics given how worked up you were (just wasn’t sure which one until I went to check).
BTW, here’s a hint: People who aren’t insecure don’t name-drop their company and alma mater at every opportunity.
people who aren’t insecure admit their faults, instead of defending a poor “study” to no end
@blah2008, I did admit my mistake.
You’re free to ignore it if you think it’s dreck. That you didn’t really says more about you than it does me. Heck, this whole thread does.
You know, there’s so much amazingness here. I’ll leave it at that.
good point, let me ignore this. This thread illustrates your stubbornness and a waste of an hour of my life I won’t get back. I can only hope others don’t make the same mistake.
Methodology is hopelessly out of date for measuring post-college success in the 21st Century. Didn’t see the word “Kardashian” even once.
Blah, if you’re worried about wasting time, you shouldn’t be here in the first place.
@moooop, I’ll incorporate the Kardashian index once someone develops it.
What would it measure? How many alums date/marry/bed a Kardashian?
No, that would involve too much data. Better stick to just Kourtney.
Useful or not, knowledge is a pretty good thing.
Compared to some other post-graduate outcomes, earning a doctorate is a better indicator of mastery in a subject that colleges actually teach.
At any rate, the set of schools generated by PT’s metrics isn’t all that different from the set of top USNWR colleges. Neither is all that different from the set of top Forbes colleges. Pick any set of measurements you think best reflects your own interests and needs … but chances are, roughly the same set of schools is likely to come out at or near the top.
So what’s the take-away message here?
Is it that Georgetown, Caltech, and Wesleyan are “near Ivies”?
Is it that UPenn is a “near Rice”.
If we bump up the PhD weighting, I guess we could say every Ivy is a “near Reed”.
@tk21769, a near-Caltech or near-Mudd.
They blow away everyone else in PhD production.
It’s refreshing (and fun, that’s why I’m here) to see a ranking that measures outcomes (other than Payscale salary #s). And of course there are SO MANY that focus almost exclusively on inputs like NMF, other test scores, etc.
Thanks for taking the time, Purple.
Thank you, @OHMomof2!
@PurpleTitan - I know what a LAC is but what is a WAS LAC?
Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore…often considered the 3 top liberal arts colleges.
Northwestern’s number is no worse than Cornell, which is an Ivy. That still makes it Ivy equivalent. Northwestern would probably drop its score from 8 to 7 in the original post even if you use only NMS # (a silly criterion to me anyway), not a significant change and it’s still pretty good.
To support your assertion it would do “quite poorly”, you have to show that Northwestern would be ranked very differently. Merely mentioning how it’s not as good as Chicago, Duke and most Ivies, which were already ranked either the same or higher to begin with doesn’t say anything.
AND we’re right back to “Sure, Cornell is an Ivy, but…”
Like mentioning Hitler or Mother Teresa in.a human-nature discussion, if you have to refer to Cornell to make your Ivy-related point, you really just lost.
It’s one of those acronyms that people on the East coast are continually trying to keep afloat (“because, my dear, there can never be enough acronyms!”) Not so long ago, it contained Pomona, but, people got tired of trying to explain what a WASP LAC was.
mooop,
Well, my main point was actually that the ranking wouldn’t have changed much even if we use NMS#. I admit that mentioning Cornell was distracting.
Also, I think if we are going to normalize just to be fair, maybe we should further normalize by the number of students in arts and sciences as well as engineering. Most NMS winners are in science/engineering/humanities majors. But 1/3 of the students at Northwestern are in pre-professional schools - music, journalism, music, and communications (including theater, flim, performing arts). It’s virtually impossible for aspiring journalists, actors, film makers, musicians to win, probably due to bias towards science/engineering that are perceived to have more social impacts, change more lives…etc.