They try recruit them from other companies, basically taking advantage of other companies doing on-the-job training of new entrants into the job. Or at least that may be the intent.
If new entrants aren’t being hired and trained, then the supply of experienced workers with 5-10 years relevant experience becomes constrained. Demand will exceed supply and a cyclical pattern of trying to poach from competitors and battle for talent ensues. That’s likely to drive up wages for that employment group, but in a game of musical chair hiring, some employers are going to lose. That may mean that eventually some companies at least are going to have to loosen their hiring criteria. It may take a while though as AI advances creates productivity efficiency resulting in the need for fewer workers.
My daughter told me last night her company is actually hiring more positions than usual this cycle both for co ops and for full time new grads.
What industry and what type of positions?
Manufacturing and they are hiring for their engineering leadership development program.
DS’s boss was looking to hire another person and was looking for someone with a specific skill. He asked ds if he knew anyone and ds mentioned his friend who graduated from the same Engineering program and who was job hunting. The boss interviewed the friend and hired him.
Networking really can pay off.
Some of the young ones might have taken the Fork because they are probationariea/worried about being RIFed due to lack of seniority.
This is similar to how D19 got her job, but I wouldn’t really call it “networking” so much as being lucky to have a friend in the right place at the right time. To my mind networking means actively cultivating contacts among people that you don’t necessarily usually interact with, who you hope would be helpful in a business/employment context. (Of course the more experienced you get, the more likely it might be that you see your network contacts more frequently.)
when S22 was younger, he would often procrastinate about going to events - whether its a party or some school thing. I often used the Woody Allen line “80% of life is just showing up” - the fleeting stray connection one makes at a random event often tend to be the ones that get strongest over time (or) end up making a big difference to one’s life and career.
Life is random for sure. The friend that got D19 the job went to the same college, but they only met because the friend was working at the coffee shop closest to D19’s dorm!
Serendipity then.
Interesting - data for CA public colleges. Shows data 2 years, 5 years, and 10 years out from graduation. From S.F. Chronicle (don’t think it’s paywalled but if you can’t read, short answer is CS for the UCs and Nursing for the CSUs).
The college majors that lead to best-paying jobs for UC and CSU graduates
It’s another example of how location vs school drive salary notice how the highest are in the Bay Area where So Cal comes into play further down.
UC Berkeley Computer science $150,000
CSU Monterey Bay Nursing $136,000
CSU San Jose Nursing $135,000
CSU East Bay Nursing $134,000
UCLA Computer science $130,000
CSU San Francisco Nursing $130,000
CSU Sacramento Nursing $126,000
CSU Sonoma Nursing $126,000
CSU Dominguez Hills Nursing $125,000
CSU Stanislaus Nursing $119,000
CSU Fullerton Nursing $115,000
CSU Chico Nursing $115,000
CSU San Luis Obispo Computer science $114,000
CSU Northridge Nursing $113,000
CSU Los Angeles Nursing $111,000
Some other context for the above in terms of return on investment is how many instate students take advantage of the CC system, and while I know many on this forum view the CC-UC pathway as another way to get into a top UC, I believe much if not most of this pathway is driven by economics. If your first 2 years at college are extremely low cost CC, it makes the ROI from those salaries even better…
about one in four CSU undergraduates and one in three UC undergraduates are transfer students from a community college.
https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-higher-education-system/
The difference in median salaries between Norcal and SoCal especially in CS may not necessarily be because of location. the median metric more than compensates for regional employment. And a lot of the employers overlap between the top schools - aka FAANG+
My suspicion is that Berkeley places a lot better into high pay jobs outside of CA (NYC, Chicago for High tech, Quant et al) and that’s probably what’s driving differentials.
Perhaps - but at the same time, nursing shows the same pattern.
Only 3 of the 15 on there are CS with the rest nursing.
Of the 12 nursing, the top 4 are near bay as is #6 and #5 is Inland a bit.
Then you get to Dominguez (more coastal) and then inland Fullerton in NoCal.
It’s just an observation but….
CSUDH and CSU Fullerton are in southern California, not northern California. Fullerton is not that far inland.
Yes, I know where they are - and I lived one town east of Fullerton. Thanks.
That’s my point:
For nursing, on the data provided, you lead with Monterey Bay, San Jose, East Bay/Stanislaus, SF State, Sonoma State - and Sac State in for good measure.
Then you get to So Cal - CSU DH and then you have Fullerton (inland OC) and Northridge. One could argue - why is DH highest - and yet, it’s at the juncture of Torrance and close to Palos Verdes, San Pedro, and more - I used to work very close.
No Cal is trumping So Cal - so I was noting the stats might be as they are based on location/part of state - meaning Bay Area will pay higher salaries than So Cal….even forgetting CS.
