<p>“It’s the same playbook the tobacco companies used for decades.”</p>
<p>P.S. Two of the largest mega processed food companies (Kraft and General Foods) are actually owned by Philip Morris.</p>
<p>iDad: did you notice the part where I’m agreeing with you on the substance, but checking your facts nonetheless?</p>
<p>Some of the points made in this thread about integrity and corporate bias remind me of occasional media reports from the “kitchens” and “test labs” of the likes of McDonalds and Domino’s Pizza. I literally laugh my head off when I see some guy or gal on TV with the title of “Head Chef” at the XYZ fast food corporation HQ, earnestly telling us about all the research and preparation that goes into developing “new and healthy” menus. What a hoot!</p>
<p>Agree with Atomom.
Food is always available 24/7, cheap, and abundant.
1.Fast food/grocery stores open virtually 24 hours/day
2. Agribusiness and plastics businesses altering food and packaging to increase yield or decrease price
3. Packaged food to increase shelf life and increase convenience; turning away from whole food.
4. Fully stocked pantries and refrigerators
5. Portion size increases</p>
<p>"It amazes me looking at Mom’s old photos from the 30s, 40s, 50s. Virtually NO ONE is fat. "
-Do not have to look that far. As international company, we have employees from Europe visiting here reqularly. They look very different from us here. Most of them look thin. I know that they are not thin, they are normal. We just adjust our “normal” here upwards. Even sizes are not the same. Size 6 represents now what used to be size 12 in a past.<br>
All these talks about acceptances of ANY sizes are making people feel way too comfortable about themselves. They stopped recognizing that there is a huge problem being obese. I do not see anything positive in this. I completely disagree with the main notion in “Hairspray”. Nobody should feel good being obese. Feeling good does NOT result in good life at all. It results in great amount of suffering, physical, emotional. It also drives the health care cost up, for everybody, not just people who decided to feel good about being obese. The effect of it is much greater than smoking. But smoking is considered to be socially unacceptable. Something is very wrong with this picture!! One behavior that affects others negatively is condenmed, while the other (which is affecting the rest of us in a greater degree) is supported. I do not have enough brain to figure it out.</p>
<p>nice one :O) </p>
<p>Size 6 used to be size 12.
Im sorry I cant believe this.
I used to be a size 3 ( that was the smallest junior size) and I bought a Burberry with my first paycheck in 1978.
It doesnt fit me that great anymore- but I can still get it on. But I am easily 25 lbs heavier than when I bought it.</p>
<p>On Buzzfeed is a viewing of 'photoshopped" masterpieces. It takes Venus, Reubens paintings etc of women and redoes them to today’s media standards for women. Interesting. I think there is huge differences between obese (and unhealthy) vs. healthy vs. media standards. The media standard pix look sick.
And I look at old photos too–look at a lot of them–fair share of skinny and fat. Don’t see much change except for history. Lots of skinny folks when there isn’t any food. Fatter older folks when they can no longer exercise. Main difference I see are kids–I don’t find many fat kids in old photos.
And size 6 from the past doesn’t equal size 12 now. And is this a contest? The goal is to be healthy and happy. </p>
<p>I went looking for pictures of women in bathing suits from the 1950s. I ran across a great photo of the young woman that the book/TV show Gidget was written about: <a href=“One-On-One With Kathy Kohner Zuckerman, aka "Gidget" - 27 East”>One-On-One With Kathy Kohner Zuckerman, aka "Gidget" - 27 East. She looks fit–but also rather less thin than most models these days.</p>
<p>Not only are the high fashion models younger & thinner, ( quite a few are teens) but many photos are photoshopped until they look like aliens!</p>
<p>Teens are very suggestible.
<a href=“What the U.S. Can—and Can't—Learn From Israel's Ban on Ultra-Thin Models - The Atlantic”>What the U.S. Can—and Can't—Learn From Israel's Ban on Ultra-Thin Models - The Atlantic;
<p>“And size 6 from the past doesn’t equal size 12 now.”</p>
<p>Buy a vintage dress pattern from the 50s and you will see. 
I did. Had to buy size 10 (I wear “modern” size 2-4 dresses).</p>
<p>Dress patterns have always been messed up.
They havent ever correlated with sizes in ready to wear.
Plus they vary by company. Vogue is different than Simplicity, which fits differently from Butterick.</p>
<p>Sewing used to be my hobby, so I’ve seen a lot of patterns, and I have not noticed the “messed up” problem. There are some differences among brands, but they are not that dramatic (10 vs 4). European payterns do run smaller, which is understandable (and this is not about UK vs US sizing). What I noticed that vintage patterns consistently had lower -<em>waist</em> measurements compared with the more modern patterns - across the brands.</p>
<p>Both my mom & my sister sewed a lot as well, I havent really made anything since the mid 70’s.
I havent had a look at current European patterns, but about 20 yrs ago, I used Burda which seemed to fit better.
I think they are German.</p>
<p>Our family pie crust uses lard - I have never baked a pie with anything else. The shortening in the Christmas pudding is suet.</p>
<p>My oldest D had a friend who was modeling for Vogue at age 15. This friend was striking and very exotic looking–she was from Kazakhstan (her father was in the US working at the UN). She and my daughter met at a summer dance workshop/camp. I was shocked when I saw her photos in the magazine–she looked much older. Some of it was the way she was dressed as well as her hair and make-up. She was very tall and thin.</p>
<p>The story I heard was that she got into modeling when a woman stopped her on the street in NYC and gave her a card and said that she should call if she wanted to consider modeling. The girl’s mother was with her when the person approached her. I guess they decided to call the agency and the girl started modeling. She and my daughter remained in touch with one another even though we lived in different places. The family went back to Kazakhstan after the country separated from the USSR.</p>
<p>I used to use butter and whole milk, but I have AMD and my dr suggested that I reduce saturated fat in my diet.
So Im gonna try cause I really dont want my eyes to get worse.</p>
<p>Here’s a different take on things showing how larger, even “obese”, people today are healthier today than their ancestors were. They looked back further, using records from the Union Army during the Civil War. I’m sure people were healthier in the 30’s - 50’s, but didn’t a lot of them have rickets? And other forms of malnutrition stemming from not enough food? </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/health/30age.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/health/30age.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0</a></p>
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<p>Here’s another gem:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nal.usda.gov/eat-more-eat-less”>http://www.nal.usda.gov/eat-more-eat-less</a></p>
<p>The USDA web site sells posters and cards of some of the images they have in their vast library. They have more than 7000 watercolors of different varieties of apples - I only wish more of them were available as reproductions. They used to have more of the “food propaganda” posters available. Most of them tell you to eat less meat, less wheat and more potatoes. The wheat and meat were saved for the troops during WWI and WWII. I guess wheat stores better for military purposes? </p>
<p>The link above is the only one I could find for a food propaganda poster and here it is telling us to eat more and less of the same foods that the government wants us to eat more and less of today! Now, I wonder how much might be psychological? Maybe the people who had to ration their wheat, sugar and meat, began to desire it more because it was unattainable? Keith Richards mentioned that a bit in his autobiography. </p>