<p>“Can’t we all just get along?” Or at least agree to disagree…</p>
<p>Please end this argument.</p>
<p>indiJimie: You’re not serious right…you think that Notre Dame is harder to get into than Cornell. Considering the diverse admissions criteria for each of Cornell’s schools, you can not make an accurate comparison of the SAT and ACT ranges. Now if you want to make a comparison of Arts and Science and Engineering against Notre Dame, you’ll quickly realize how much more advanced the student population is. </p>
<p>For instance the AAP program at Cornell looks at portfolios and stuff, over SAT scores. Similarly, the Hotel Administration school relies on the interview and more serviced based factors. I’m sorry, but your comparison is misleading. </p>
<p>Additionally, Cornell’s applicatn pool is significantly larger than that of Notre Dame’s which automatically increases competition. Here’s another thing, Cornell doesn’t admit on numbers, it looks at the student as a whole, which is the philosophy of the entire Ivy League. Additionally, dare I say it, Cornell is more committed to diversity than Notre Dame…which people can’t really argue. The student body at Notre Dame is pretty uniform. </p>
<p>Barring all of that, you’re just wrong: </p>
<p>The 75th Percentile for Cornell Engineering SAT was 1550 for the class of 2011 </p>
<p>The 75th Percentile for CAS was 1540 with an acceptance rate of 13%</p>
<p>AND, the reason i’m “■■■■■■■■” is because it annoys me to see you guys complaining about your PA.</p>
<p>Cornell2011…</p>
<p>Please stop…We stopped caring 20 posts ago.</p>
<p>Move this to a PM argument please!</p>
<p>bulkinsmom — NO! I stopped caring what you said, after your first post…so you stop. k thanks. You just can’t face the reality that Notre Dame is crappy. I also feel it is my responsibility to make people on this thread a lot smarter, it might help Notre Dame’s student body…just maybe.</p>
<p>cornell2011 - you’re pathetic. get your scrawny, whiny ass outta here.</p>
<p>haha…the only pathetic people on this board, are the people relentlessly defending Notre Dame. How are you supposed to defend something indefensible…</p>
<p>Excuse me for being smarter than all of you…its just that…I go to a better school, they teach me to have good rhetoric. </p>
<p>Additionally, you don’t know me, so don’t talk to me that way.</p>
<p>“making assertions about my intelligence based on my school affiliation is absolutely ridiculous and unwarranted.”
(<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/dartmouth-college/521817-ranking-ivies-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/dartmouth-college/521817-ranking-ivies-2.html</a>)</p>
<p>I believe you said that yourself, Cornell2011. After turning down Harvard for Cornell? I assure you, we all had our reasons to turn down more highly ranked schools for Notre Dame. We did our research. And a lot of us fell in love. Notre Dame is both one the most loved and most hated schools in the world for a variety of reasons. Funny thing is though, most people stop hating it when they come see it for themselves. I think most of us here have shown that we are capable of respecting other educational institutions for what they have to offer, whether they are more highly ranked than Notre Dame or not. Next time you want to get into a **** measuring contest, as jasonpham so accurately described this, please do your own research. And keep the personal attacks to yourself. You don’t know us any more than we know you, although you certainly haven’t made a very good first impression.</p>
<p>Cornell2011, you have an interesting definition of good rhetoric. Let’s take a look at a few examples from post #34 : </p>
<p>Dismissing someone’s argument by saying “judging by the content of your post, I don’t think you would know if an argument has been proven if it hit you in your freaking face.” I don’t think that qualifies as good rhetoric.</p>
<p>Ending your argument by saying “Finally, I’d just like to point out, that you are like…not smart.” Sorry, not a very persuasive argument.</p>
<p>I don’t know how we will survive without rhetorical skills like what you’ve exhibited here.</p>
<p>Hahah you help prove the fact that Cornell sucks. You feel so insecure about your school that you have to go to the boards of better schools and rant about yours.</p>
<p>By the way, I didn’t think Cornell sucked until I saw your posts. Well done.</p>
<p>I guess this shows that there are those that either “love” ND or “hate” ND. This has been our experience, whether one has ties to the university or not. Never mind the rankings; this is just plain fact! Even our international experiences have shown this, Cornell 2011. And yes, ND does carry a quite favorable international reputation. Thank you!</p>
<p>The funny thing is that Cornell doesn’t realize that he is doing what we all are doing, defending his school. The difference is we stay here and answer people’s questions, but he goes out and attacks other schools. That sounds like insecurity to me, I mean, why would you put in the effort? There are better hobbies out there. When I was your age I started my computer company to make extra cash, perhaps that could work for you?</p>
<p>Notre Dame is not “crappy.” You will not find anyone who will reasonably say that it is "crappy. " In any event:</p>
<p>You know, cornell2011? You’re right. You win. Notre Dame sucks, Cornell is awesome, and, by extension, we suck and you’re awesome. Congrats. We’ll all just go along liking our little rinky-dink school in Podunk, Indiana, making the best of our mediocre lives and meager intellect, and I promise we’ll stay away from the Ivy covered walls and rich academic tradition found in upstate New York. </p>
<p>Now, go away.</p>
<p>This is a quote from cornell2011, addressed to another poster, from the same thread to which shellzie so kindly gave us a link:
“Its sad that you have nothing better to do than ■■■■■ around on forums and make insolent posts about prestigious universities. I really hope that you aren’t an accurate representation of your university, because that would be sad.”
Cornell must also have a good hypocrisy school.</p>
<p>Hahahaha yes JCool thank you for winning the argument for us all!!</p>
<p>Oh and good kevdude, that’s probably the ONLY response that would get Cornell2011 to shut up.</p>
<p>Not only is he a nuisance but he acts like a narcissist, so he will be back just to argue and garner attention.</p>
<p>all i know is that i went to a pretty elite private high school in chicago, and no one applied to cornell as a first choice. Theres about 4 people going there from my class, and all of them are only going becasue they didn’t get into their first choice (2 Harvard, 1 MIT, 1 Stanford). I don’t know anyone who really wanted to go to Cornell. </p>
<p>You can stop acting like Cornell is so high and mighty. I’m not trying to say ND is explicity better, but you are acting like Cornell is just the best university. Your 20% acceptance rate is a joke amongst the 10-15% in the other Ivys. Come on man.</p>
<p>haha, I love the efforts to call me hypocritical etc. Good job, at least you guys have research skills. Now listen to this.</p>
<p>If any of you had ever read anything I said, you’d quickly realize that your acceptance rates arguments and **** are unwarranted and don’t prove anything aside from your inability to come up with better reasons why Cornell is bad. Additionally, I’ll defend Cornell’s inclusion mentality to the end, and you can refer to my previous posts to find my reasons. </p>
<p>You still haven’t answered the fundamental question, why is Notre Dame so good? Huh? What programs are renowned? Nodda. You guys can’t make anything but mediocre arguments which don’t address the issues at hand, and feel the need to utilize stereotypes as arguments, but let me tell you right now, anecdotes and stereotypes aren’t persuasive. Which brings me to the fool who made some remark about my rhetoric…did you ignore the hundreds of other things I said in my posts, or are you just too stupid to comprehend the level I was talking at…which one is it? </p>
<p>You know what, I’m done with you people, because you lack to the ability to see reason, or give me reasons to make me shut up. Sure, I’ve made statements about insulting universities, but those were regarding stereotypes, which you all are doing now to “criticize” Cornell. I’m simply interpreting facts…not taking stereotypes and using them to make fun of Notre Dame. The truth is, there isnt a single truth you can say about Cornell that would make its academics bad. Make fun of Ithaca. Make fun of the acceptance rate. But you can’t make fun of the education. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, Notre Dame stands at 18 in the rankings, Cornell is 12. Notre Dame lacks the international reputation that Cornell has. Notre Dame doesn’t have ground breaking research. Cornell is the third largest contributor to research. Cornell is an Ivy League school with a tradition of excellence, Notre Dame is a football school…with well…football as its tradition. </p>
<p>Cornell is the innovator in the Ivy League, a leader among the top universities in the world, and no one can deny that. You think we’re a joke in the Ivy League? That just attests to your ignorance. Additionally, your arguments don’t prove anything about Cornell as an institution of higher education…it just means, the students didn’t like the location, difficulty etc…</p>
<p>JustBumming…how did I prove this now? Just wondering… </p>
<p>I’m out.</p>
<p>hey cornell2011 I am just gonna say you are one self righteous ■■■■■■■. I actually turned down cornell to go to notre dame. All I am gonna say is cornell is a good school but it isnt as great as people think it is. Cornell’s prestige is overinflated by its ivy league status which is boosted by harvard, princeton, and yale; and in addition, it is a known fact that all ivy league schools give each other superb peer ratings which boosts the rankings, which are extremely superficial.</p>
<p>So, anyway, ND’s academics are of a superior caliber. It stands easily among the top 20 universities nationally, although arguments have been made that it deserves a spot higher than its alloted rank of 19. It’s main focus is undergraduate education, it has a very highly ranked undergraduate Business School, and it’s Theology and Philosophy departments (as well as Irish Studies department) are regularly recognized as the best in the world.</p>
<p>Oh, we also happen to have a football team that is traditionally pretty good ( as well as competitively relevant).</p>
<p>“At the end of the day, Notre Dame stands at 18 in the rankings, Cornell is 12.”</p>
<p>Dude, who ****ing cares? Out of all the colleges in nation, you think a mere 6 college difference really matters? Just get over yourself, maybe hit puberty and develop a sense of humor. Being the daughter someone in one of the top three highest positions at an ivy league school (HINT HINT ranked much higher than yours!), and being told numerous times by someone with obvious superior knowledge to yours, I realize ANYWHERE you go can be the best place to get an education, it’s what you make of it.</p>
<p>Assuming that Cornell has better academics, a WHOPPING difference of 6 colleges difference, at the end of the day, it’s more about how happy you are. I would rather be at a tiny community college and be happy with the education I’m getting and the environment I’m in than be at a cut throat school constantly comparing myself to others and other’s universities, something you’ve obviously learned to do, because every post we’ve seen you make here or on another thread has to do with exactly that. That’s what Notre Dame is known for, it’s community and openness to others, something I’m willing to acknowledge that SLIGHT difference in academics for. </p>
<p>The fact that you are so hell bent on proving your college over mine? Makes me even more glad I’m going to ND. So, thanks.</p>