<p>Ha! I understand that at UCONN, the person walks by the classroom & is able to see into the classroom (usually through window in the door) & verifies that the athlete is there! </p>
<p>A couple of minutes later, the athlete then gets up and leaves the classroom, after all, he has a note-taker sitting next to him! (A Work Study Job for some student). </p>
<p>So this is nothing new under the sun!</p>
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<p>But they also have resources that regular students do not. For example, at some universities, they have required study times where the entire team gathers in the athletic complex (along with a group of tutors) to complete their work. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I don’t really know what counts as a “regular student” at a public university like KU. According to KU’s website, 25% of their undergrads either commute 10 miles or more to campus, are parents of dependent children, are married, are veterans, have had their education interrupted by compulsory military service, or are at least 3 years older than their classmates. I have no idea how many work 20-40 hours per week outside of the university, but at many public institutions the numbers are pretty high - which often partly accounts for the low graduation rates.</p>
<p>The way I heard it from alums, they accept a boatload of kids from in-state who can’t do the work, then they all flunk out.</p>
<p>Admission standards for ku–for instate students. Any ONE of these three (not a combination):</p>
<p>•Achieve an ACT score of 21 or above or an SAT combined score of 980 or above on math and critical reading (verbal) sections.
•Rank in the top one-third of their high school class.
•Earn at least a 2.0 GPA on a 4.0 scale in the Kansas Board of Regents curriculum established by the board of regents</p>
<p>KU and some other midwestern colleges (actually most at one time) had the concept based on populist ideals that everyone deserved a CHANCE at college. Not just the children of the wealthy who typically had better preparation and support for college. And contray to Monydad’s assertion, many can and do do the work and blossom under the opportunity to study with a fine faculty on a quite well equipped and attractive campus. Just like the rich kids. Now today we are a bit more sophisticated and all but some states still try to offer all the children of the state a chance at college–and at a good college.</p>
<p>hey I was just responding to the hypotheses about why the 60% graduation rate. I used to work with a lot of KU alums, and that’s what they told me at the time. It’s their assertion, I am just relaying it. They went there, I didn’t. I did not even know about any 60% graduation rate at the time they told me, I just read about that right now, in #16 above.</p>
<p>Based on the info in this thread, I don’t think you guys are actually disagreeing. It’s clear that Kansas accepts a boatload of in-state kids who can’t, and it’s also clear that most can and do. </p>
<p>So it’s undeniable versus unassailable in a battle for total agreement.</p>
<p>I have to say, actually, I am rather surprised that the graduation rate is that low. Because KU has a great regional reputation, not just for basketball but academically. While I was there I witnessed several valedictorians turn down Ivy League acceptances to attend KU.</p>
<p>I did not envision that the “boatload” they were talking about was that big a boat.</p>
<p>Paige Arena was named for his plagiarizing daughter, not his company. If it were not named for her then why did he agree to drop the name after she lost her degree at USC for cheating? </p>
<p>Keep in mind student attendance monitoring goes on all over so I’m not sure why it’s such a big deal. It’s tempting to post a laundry list of embarrassing MU stories that would make this article pale in comparison. However, I’ll just throw out Ricky Clemons and his involvement with the university president and his wife. A sad and embarrassing story if there ever was one! Oh, and one more. The Antlers. How any Division I school allows such a student group to exist says it all about MU.</p>
<p>I don’t think a 60% graduation rate is bad for a university that accepts 93% of its applicants. 80% return for their sophomore year. The ones who haven’t been prepared for college level work or who refuse to work in college or who run into financial difficulties early on get weeded out pretty quick.</p>
<p>Most of the Vanderbilt basketball players are decent students, go to class and actually care about school. I have a couple of friends on the faculty that have taught them. If you watch big forward Steve Tchiengang negotiating with the refs at the games, you know he is headed for law school! :)</p>
<p>“Kareem’s brother, Brandon, needed to go to prep school to achieve NCAA qualifications but managed a 3.8 at kansas in his first year. Neither of them graduated from college (nor did their brother JaRon who played for UCLA.)”</p>
<p>And all of them attended high school, to get that extensive preparation for college, in…</p>
<p>Missouri !</p>
<p>(just making trouble)</p>
<p>Monydad-
Brandon Rush did not graduate because he chose to leave school after his junior year to enter the NBA draft. That does not mean he didn’t have the ability to graduate had he stayed for four years. </p>
<p>Bragging about kids going to private schools that are from KC MO is a little funny. Most kids go to those schools because the public schools are so bad. (just making trouble!)</p>
<p>I was quoting an earlier post.</p>
<p>If you’ re going to make that point about Brandon, then you would in fairness have to acknowledge same for Kareem and JaRon. IIRC. But that sort of diminishes the MO slander, doesn’t it, and we wouldn’t want that…</p>
<p>And, with repect to your last point, if someone’s forcing honesty here, one would have to acknowledge that half the student body at that particular school comes from Kansas.</p>
<p>But again, we wouldn’t want to do that.</p>
<p>Go jayhawks !!</p>