"Ketchup sandwiches - and other things stupid poor people eat"

We donate things quite regularly to the Salvation Army, and all of it is good quality stuff, usually lightly worn or not worn at all. The donation stores around here have policies on what can be donated… usually the items have to be clean, functional, and without major wear. They will not accept items that are worn out or broken.

Regardless, I think people who are in need should be grate for receiving anything from those who are voluntarily giving away their possessions. I am far more compassionate to those who are genuinely thankful and humble about receiving items.

Why wouldn’t this same argument apply to beer and wine?

I think we would all have a different list of foods we would like to receive, or not. I’d love the beets and onions, but not the mac and cheese, but that’s me. I think maybe we should not assume that people are cleaning out their cupboards-- maybe they were donating what they, themselves, like to buy.

Ketchup sandwich taste really awful, especially the untoasted one. Just to let you know in case you haven’t tried.

I like cocktail onions too, but I would surmise not many food pantry recipients are concerned with mixing martinis before dinner.

Cheap bologna and ketchup on cheap, white bread. Can’t believe I ate that for lunch. And brought it to school. I can remember how it tasted, and how the ketchup made the bread all soggy and pink and gross.

I donate boxes of cereal and canned beans for stews, chilis, etc… Things that are practical for everyone.

Onions are onions and do not have to be used in cocktails. We don’t drink cocktails. I love picked beets and onions and that’s what I’d do with them.

My point is that people make a lot of assumptions about donors. As long as the food isn’t past its use-by date, someone will probably like it.

And as for donated clothing, it would be easier for us to throw it away than to wash it, fold it carefully, bag it and drive to the place where we donate it. (Of course we do throw away items that are in poor condition.) I still feel it is a charitable donation, including my time and effort.

My church does two massive clothing drives every year - volunteers come from across the country to participate because it’s so big. It takes the entire year to collect, wash (sometimes iron), fold and display the clothing. We are very clear to only accept “gently-used” clothing because let’s not be insulting. The drive in the late summer is paired with a backpack give-away by several local politicians. This one event gets about 500 kids ready for school every year, including their clothing, coats, backpacks and school supplies. If we could only figure out a way to get shoes, we’d be golden! We also do a food pantry located at a different church, but the one thing I find the most rewarding is the community garden. People can take their own plot to grow the food of their choice, and many volunteers grow food for the food pantry, so that it’s stocked with fresh food during the growing seasons here.

I buy slightly dented cans for myself because our Shop Rite discounts them. So when the Boy Scouts knock at the door unexpectedly asking for donations for their food drive, that is what I have to offer. It’s incorrect to assume that people are giving cheaper things than what they themselves buy or use. How on earth do you know that? I happen to buy mostly generic/store brand products, including boxed macaroni and cheese. So I’m supposed to spend more on people I don’t know than I do on my own family? Studies have shown that lower income people give proportionately more to charity than upper income people, so there are a lot of assumptions being made here, some of which are extremely rude and insulting.

I second those who say to donate money to food banks, not food items. It is not only that the food banks get a discount for buying in bulk; they buy at the wholesale rate instead of retail that we pay at the grocery store. And they know the needs and desires of the population they serve. I suppose there is an issue of how much of the donated funds goes toward food vs administrative costs, but it still seems more efficient to me to donate money. And folks I’ve known who have been on the boards of our local food banks have confirmed that donations of money are preferred.

That’s a bit disturbing as buying and eating food from dented cans increases the risk of poisoning from botulism or food borne illnesses because of the greater possibility the air-tight seal of the canning process has been compromised by the denting.

This was one reason why one Science teacher and both Home Ec teachers in middle school emphasized to us kids to avoid buying or eating food from dented cans.

And definitely do not buy if the can is bulging.

I hope people don’t go around judging what others give away to charities.

My takeaway from the essay is that we could all just be more mindful of the lives of others, period.

As we go about our daily business, it’s easy and natural to focus mostly on our own needs and concerns. This essay reminds me that when we do come across opportunities to think about someone else, we should do just that. For example, when called upon to donate to a food bank, don’t scour the pantry looking for the crap you don’t need or want; maybe make a bit more effort to donate something really useful, needed or wanted. Maybe even a luxury every now and then.

But most of all, at the very least, resist the urge to judge the less fortunate. If you aren’t willing to help, please don’t actively hurt. The video linked in the article showing that woman harassing the father for using food stamps just made me feel sick.

“Being poor leads to having very few options in life and it stinks. Maybe that soda and bag of chips is the highlight of the day. You don’t need one more person telling you what you can’t have. Good grief.”

I think this is very true. Somewhat correlated, one of the few consumer products to sell well during a recession is candy. Relatively inexpensive and yet comforting. Little treats can bring a little pleasure when much is going wrong.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/nyregion/24candy.html

I think the government restricts what can be bought on things like WIC and Food Stamps, like not buying potato chips and soda and cool aid, is the fear that they will be misused, for a variety of reasons. It is a sad fact that things like obesity are rampant in poor communities because ‘junk’ food is laden with sugar and empty carbs, and the hope is by keeping things like that off the list, those using them won’t be tempted to use the stamps to buy that kind of thing,rather than more healthful things (or what they see as healthful, the cheap bread and peanut butter, for example, that is a common item is loaded with sugar and who knows what else…). Given how small food stamp benefits are, and how recipients often may not have the proper knowledge on how to create healthy meals on a small budget (we have had other threads with that, about how you can eat healthy on a low budget, but you also need both the knowledge, the will and the time to do that; take the working poor working multiple jobs, and it may just be too difficult). Having lived in low income areas, too, there are a lot of kids growing up with a parent or parents who themselves never learned to eat properly and a lot of the times their kids are eating poorly.

It is interesting when people mention immigrants, often they end up eating better (I suspect, no proof of this simply observation of shopping habits at places where a lot of modest income immigrants shop) because coming in many cases from poor countries, they learned how to eat cheaply (though if they live a place where they can do things like fish and gather fruits and such from the wild, might not work as well if they move to a city). Someone from an Asian culture, for example, likely had a diet that was mostly rice with some vegetables and little meat, and that is a relatively cheap way to eat.

The other reason the government does that is obvious, WIC and food stamp recipients often are users of medicaid (or now, the subsidized health care under Obamacare), or worse, end up in Emergency rooms for medical care that costs everyone.Given the tie between improper nutrition and illness and disease, it isn’t just moral judgement to try and keep unhealthy things off of the list, in other words. I am sure the government would like to have people in general eating healthier, they can’t force it, but it is why we have advertising and web sites about proper nutrition, attempts at documenting balanced meals (as flawed as it is, the pyramid or dinner plate), caloric and fat and salt content documented on the label, and so forth, for the very reason of the costs of bad nutrition.

Having volunteered in a food pantry and also at a food kitchen that also acted as a pantry at times, I think it is both wise not to necessarily judge what someone donates without knowing the background. I have seen people who once were using the pantry, who were in better circumstances but not exactly rich, who would donate what they could and yes, it was what they themselves bought, stuff bought at dollar stores, or scratched and dented cans, cheap bread, peanut butter, etc, but actually knowing them, it was what they had and they were literally donating when they had little themselves. On the other hand, I also have seen the other side, someone who I knew were well off, who was donating stuff that was what others have posted, stuff they obviously cleaned out their pantry with (there is nothing wrong with pickled onions, for example, but if you are donating food for people who literally have nothing, not exactly a first thought for nutritious food). To be honest, while anything is usually better than nothing, if you are going to clean out your pantry like that to make a show of donating, personally I would tell them not to bother (there is a difference between that and someone donating what they could, and that is all they had).

The real problem with food pantries is it is difficult to get the really healthy things to people, much of what is donated is packaged food like canned vegetables and meats, processed foods and so forth, because things like fresh produce and good quality bread are hard to process, plus you don’t know if the people even have the ability to store it or cook it, for that matter. Having worked with a food pantry, I kind of like the idea of donating, whether through the supermarket where they have “donate 5 bucks to feed the hungry” kind of things, or donating money to the pantry directly, they do buy in bulk, at wholesale levels, and that 5 bucks they get will likely buy a lot more and more importantly, healthier food then you could donate from what you bought retail IME.

Not all dented cans are unsafe. I volunteer at a food bank.

Here is a quick guide. http://food-finders.org/Can_Safety_Fact_Sheet.pdf

Cans that are bulging are not safe. Cans that have dents on a seam or seal are not safe.

We have too much food waste in this world. Please do not throw out all dented cans. If you have any reason to doubt the safety of the food item then throw it out.

Thanks for the info on slightly dented cans. Even so…if it was me, I’d rather consume food from the dented cans myself and purchase non-dented canned food to donate to those in need. It’s one thing to decide to risk one’s own life. It’s totally another to put the lives of others at risk.

There’s a lot of that going around…especially from those who don’t really get how entitled they are.

The food pantry here usually posts a list of items that are most needed although they will take anything.

I might donate pickled onions to a food bank. If in need of a food bank, I’d take them as well. As I end up having odd ethic foods that I don’t need, or small jars of things that people leave at my house, I figure someone will find a use for it, rather than me throwing it out. But I also donate money for the essentials. I’d take those pickled onions,chop and add to some noodles and tuna for a salad. In the hands of a good cook, anything can be of use and might add a little delight to their day, rather than endless mac and cheese and rice and beans.

When moving recently, and really working on finding charities for many of my excess items, the food ended up being given to a men’s halfway house with a very talented cook. As he helped me haul in boxes he said, “We take and make use of it all.” I was delighted, and he seemed to be as well.

Many food banks distribute items to a family by the number of items or weight, and in those cases I can’t see the recipients wanting a jar of pickled onions or beets to count toward their total. They aren’t worried about adding onions to tuna for added flavor, they are more likely wanting high calorie foods to feed their children.