<p>I agree with you up until the part about a different course. Assume America never should that airliner down, things would not have been different. They hate us for a different reason then that. If that airliner would not have been shot there would ahve been other excuses for suicide bombings and for their hate. Its not about policy so much as it is about religion and ideaology.</p>
<p>That is only one incident- placing and keeping the Shah in power is the real problem. The Shah whose father was allied with the Nazis during WWII. We got in bed with a ruthless dictator. We should have let Dr Mohammad Mosaddeq stay as Prime Minister. What we did in Iran created a situation were we allied ourselves with one ruthless dictator -the Shah which created problems which lead us to getting in bed with another ruthless dictator Hussein which has lead to another disaster the Iraq War and when all is said and done do not be shocked that we get in bed with another brutal dictator in Iraq to free us of the mess were in. We will have no concern about what happens to the Iraqi’s on the wrong side of our new dictator</p>
<p>golani89 there is a thread in the cafe which asks do southerners still harbor mistrust of the north. That is what I think you need to understand there is some justification for the Iranians to mistrust the US we have taken some action that clearly had no regard for them. The US should act in its own best interest I just feel that a complete disregard of what happens to citizens in the countries where we take action is not in our best interest. What happens to those citizens should be part of the equation. I do not feel it has been in the past and the result is a hatred of the US and an escalation of terrorism</p>
<p>Well hatred of the US has been around for along time before all of that and in general I do agree with you that we should take regard to how their minds are molded and shapped from birth. You know it pains me to see a baby being dressed up as suicide bomber or a little ten year old runnign aronud with an AK-47 at a summer terrorists camp. Things like that are not rational, reasonable responses to whatever Americas policy has been. Nor is it reasonable to blow people or planes up. Every nation has been wronged, but never before has there bbeen such at thing as their is now where muslims are willing to kill themselves so easily just to kill 100 other innocent jews or christians or even fellow muslims. When did the Jews blow themselves up in German cafes or when did the Americans gun down British school children and etc</p>
<p>Delayed but …
here’s my answer to Mini’s “why do I hate America so much”…</p>
<p>I almost went for it. I hate liberalism, and therefore I hate America. And thererfor most American espouse liberal ideas. Not true to a lot of Americans.
Mini, that was a clever trap but I didnt fall for it.</p>
<p>No, I don’t hate America. I love all that’s traditional and American. I only abhore liberals whose perversed idea about freedom and responsibilities poision other impressionable folks under the guise of compassion. Liberals make America weak and dilute American values.</p>
<p>Take this liberal post for example: </p>
<p>“…to think we should be the only ones with nukes, what arrogance…” ( not exact quote but you get the idea ). </p>
<p>Only someone who had drunk from the cup of liberal poison for too long would fail to see how America and indeed the free world would be menaced by the likes of an Ahmadinejad or a Kim Jong Il with nukes / nuclear technoglogy. It will take very little for this technology to “fall into” the hands of terrorists. No, according to liberals, who are we to keep this from anybody!</p>
<p>The problem with Mini is that she has moral problems. She constantly blames the wrong people. For example she loves to spew this nonsense that Clinton killed millions of children. She has spread this trash so many times on this board that no one even responds to it, but this is part of the hate-america crowd. Lets blame America for something someone else did. Saddam killed millions of children, so lets blame America.</p>
<p>The blame for the deaths of Iraqi children and adults should lie squarely with Saddam himself, and to a certain degree the UN. Saddam’s use of chemical weapons to kill 200,000, his support of terror through financing, providing safe haven, weapons, and equipment, his efforts to build more WMD’s, the fact that he did not properly destroy his sarin, anthrax, the fact that he had long range missiles that he used on Israel without provocation, all of that, made him a danger and threat to the America and the world. So while in total the UN passed 18 resolutions on Iraq in short period of time, the US implemented sanctions to cut off as much money to the Iraqi gov’t so that they would not be able to expand their terrorist infrastructure. However, to make sure that the Iraqi people wouldnt starve to death, Clinton entered the food-for-oil programs, something he NEVER had to do. Unfortunately, the UN, which Mini and other hate-america liberals revere so much, could not handle the food-for-oil because it was plagued by that moral blindness that mini is plagued by. Through all of the administrative boards and directors it allowed the money to flow directly into Saddam’s pockets. Saddam, being the benevolent leader he was, spent the money building palaces, expanding his WMD program, expanding his rocket supply, building soccer stadium, torture dungeons etc. Meanwhile, his people were dying not just because of a lack of money, health supplies, food, which Saddam denied to them, but also by his own murderous regime. Uday and Qussay would torture soccer players when they lost games. Uday once killed a man and raped his wife just because he could. Mini, nevertheless, blames this on Clinton. Because Clinton was protecting her ungratefull ass from danger, and Saddam horded millions of dollars which the UN shuffled to him regularly, it was Clinton’s fault the people of Iraq suffered. When America tries to bomb a terrorist who sets up his base next to a school, or inside a mosque, the resulting civillian deaths are always blamed on America by these disgusting immoral people. Never would it occur to them that these terrorists are setting up base next to civillians because every civillian death hurts their cause, not only because America is blamed for it by the Arabs and terrorists but because America’s own people, like Mini, blame America. </p>
<p>That is what it means to hate America. This current extreme liberalism is about one thing- “neutrailty and fairness”. To them there is no moral difference between terrorists and their state supporter and the free countries like America, Israel, Canada, Britain, France, Spain etc. </p>
<p>A perfect example of this is in 2000 UNFIL peacekeepers, whose responsibilities it is to keep the peace at the Lebanese-Israeli border, witnessed Hezbollah break on to Israeli territory and kidnapp two soldiers. Instead of stopping the injustice or reporting they stood by idly video-tapping the scence. When Israel and the world found out that these video tapes existed and demanded that the UN hand them over so that Israel could view them, the UN denied their existance. Kofi Annan on the record lied to the families of kidnapped soldiers telling them that a tape, that could lead to the rescue of these soldiers, did not exist. Months later he was forced to aquiece and handed the tapes over. Israel was allowed to view them three times, they were edited, and not all of them were handed over. Furthermore the soldiers cell phones were recovered in the abandoned getaway car. Those were not turned over. The getaway car itself was a marked UN vehicle. KJofi Annan’s justification for the way the UN handeled the situation was that they were trying to be neutral. That is the kind of disease that plagues the hate america crowd. They think they are neutral and fair and openminded when they dont put blame on the true murderers. But in reality it is moral bankruptcy. I can only equate the hate america crowd to a person who blames a rape on the girl because she worse a short skirt.</p>