Kunfuzed101 is here to answer you ?'s about medical school admission in Pakistan.

<p>Mr. Kunfuzed? ... can u answer my posted question plz</p>

<p>Unfortunately an associates degree will not do much especially if you apply to Army Medical College. Much of the admission process will be based on your high school record not college record. Unless you have attained a bachelors degree or higher (especially in something like physics, bio, chemistry) then you can get in with relative ease. You stated that you never took Physics in high school and this does hinder your chances of getting accepted. In Pakistan Medical Schools their admission is based on how well you performed in your high school science courses and math courses. Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Math and English all need to be taken and passed. Unless your applying to AGA KHAN which has a totally different admission policy, then you will need to take the SAT. Besides that you don't really need to. If you took chemistry, math, biology in college, I urge you to complete Physics (yes it is mandatory) at the college level as well so you can be elligible for admission. I'm not sure how much AMC costs but I believe it is somewhere around $7,000 to 10,000 a year. Also you will have to appear for Army Medical College's entrance test held in the fall.</p>

<p>Hello Mr.Kunfused,</p>

<p>We really appreciate your willingness to help us =)</p>

<p>I read in AKU prospectus that for SAT I they need 1250 must cumulative of just reading and mathematical part :S...I scored 1630 overall (total of all three parts) but am not making 1250 just out of reading and mathematics..
However my high school grades are excellent. You think I still have chances to make it???
Plz do reply!</p>

<p>Hmm....You asked a really good question. Considering the AKU prospect indicated that you will need a 1250 on Math and Reading then I suppose they mean the score you recieved combining ONLY these 2 scores (not the third test/part). If you made an A in Physics, Chemistry, Math, English, and Biology your chances at Aga Khan fare well. However keep in mind that among other foreign applicants your decision now would be based on your SAT score. Obviously the higher then the better chance you will have at secureing a position.</p>

<p>I see no hope for Aga khan :(</p>

<p>How well the foreing students find Dow medical University of Health sciences, coz it might be my next choice.
Is it really hard to get any in (any university) after the "equivalency" in Pakistani grades?

<p>Dow University is a really good medical school. Basically all the Govt. Medical Schools carry down the same curriculum be it in M.B.B.S. or B.D.S. which is also available online at. pmdc.org.pk. The difference is in not what a college teaches which is basically or should be as mandated by the Govt. "the same" but rather how a professor teaches. I emphasise this alot, because as a Pakistani you are living in the U.S. which might create a language barrier with the professors in Pakistan, althought the language of intruction is usually in english. If you have experienced learning in the college environment, you should have not much of a problem. Be prepared to study day and night. Be prepared to study material without any assistance from the professor. Be prepared for unethical and inequal treatment esp. in grading. Be prepared to take notes on your own. Be prepared to sit in a classroom without airconditioning. I don't mean to scare you or divert you decision, but realize that you will be paying thousands of dollars up front for tuition. Also Yesha, the reason why I emphasize A's in all your high school courses (if you intend on going to medical school after high school) is because once you submit your official transcript to the IBCC of Pakistan, depending on which country you attended high school in...in this case I'm guessing it is the U.S. then they will dedut 20% off of each one of your grades. So if you have an A its going to be a B, if you have a B its going to be a C.....so forth. And remember that you are not only competing with people from the U.S. but from applicants all around the world who may or may not even be of Pakistani descent.</p>

<p>ok... thank u soooooo very much for your reply, it really helped a lot. but one thing i could not understand in your reply was that whether I have to take tha SAT for applying to AKU or for AMC, or is it for both. and yes i am going to take physics in college for my next and hopefully last semester here, but it will end in may and i want to apply for admission right now. so in this case can I tell the administrators there about this? and if i have a C or a C- in my bio courses here at college , will that let me in for AMC? or of i have got between 80-85% in bio math and chemistry in HIGH SCHOOL would that be OK for admission in AMC?..... and do you know the deadline for applying to AMC, because theres no official website yet that could provide me with this info. </p>

<p>thank u so much .....hope to get a reply soon</p>

<p>does anybody know how to apply from pakistan in a medical college anywhere in pakistan. my cousins have done their BA in a government college, and they want to apply for medical college, so whats the criteria there? and by "B.A." i mean 14 years of schooling, are they eligilble for applying to a medical college, if they lets say have taken bio, physics, math, english and chemistry and have passed with good grades?.....</p>

<p>Well considering your post akhan, if your cousins want to apply to medical college and they themselves have studied and reside in Pakistan then they would be qualifying under their local national seats (meaning they will not apply on the basis of foreign seats.) Based on the criteria given they are eligible for admission into Pakistani Medical Schools. For Govt. Medical schools and Private Medical schools they will be required not only to submit their final marks/grades...but they will also have to show up for the medical examination at their local testing center in Pakistan which is usually held in the fall and it covers much of math, english, and science. It is evident to conclude as well that there are more seats available for nationals than foreigners and considering the factor of their marks/grades they have a greater chance of getting in simply because there are more seats available for them.</p>

<p>Akhan concerning your post 17: Are you a college student studying here in the U.S. If so you would have had to taken the SAT or ACT. Unfortunatley Aga Khan only accepts your SAT score. You must have at least a 1250 or above (or 24 on the MCAT) to qualify for admission. For AMC...they will take a brief look at your test scores either from the SAT or ACT but they will focus more on the grades you got in their courses. Also you cannot apply for admission now. For one it is to early and second they do not make the application forms available until the FALL of 2007. So you will have to check not only on the internet/school's website but sometimes I know that medical schools in Pakistan place an AD in U.S. Pakistani Newspapers notifying potential foreign applicants like yourself. Also call the PK consulate and embassy to make sure...they might know when the admission process will begin. I hate to break it to you but your college bio grade is considerably low. Although you passed with a C...keep in mind your competing with others who made a A. Also note that the IBCC will deduct 20% off each later grade for U.S. applicants...So your C will turn into a considerably low grade. But don't let that stop you...theres noting like giving something a chance. Plus you have to apply on the high school basis not get my math grade from college and use my grades from bio and chem in high school. Unless you have earned a B.A. or B.S. or higher then you can use your college grades. Since you completed high school you can only use your high school grades at this time.</p>

<p>thanks a lot Mr.Kunfuzed.....I really appreciate it :)</p>

<p>Also, does Baqai medical University has good profs and education environment?</p>

<p>To the best of my belief, I think Baqai is a private medical school correct. Consider the tuition for instance, private medical school tuition in Pakistan for foreign students run near $10,000 a year or maybe more. Since the tuition is high, private medical school have adequate resources and up to date technology and medical equipment. Plus I believe the classrooms are even equipped with air conditioning. But this can very from school to school. Honestly I really can't speak on behalf of Baqai considering I am not really familiar with the school. Private medicals schools have online sites which are updated more often and frequently.</p>

<p>hmm.......thank u very muchhh........ u really answered in detail. I appreciate your kindness...
ok.... but thats not fair at all, why dont they accept A.S. degree? ok lets leave that giganatic issue aside, but if I have done very good in college, will they still not accept that college record, so far I have a GPA of 3.0. and the only grades that are down are from bio. but if I repeat them this semester and finally have a nice looking trasnscript with mostly A's and some B's. will they not look at the transcript then??? ......</p>

<p>I wonder who purposed this law of deducting 20% grades of foreign students... ? and why making such a law. just not fair at all. all those students who work hard to get an A or a B get to be lower then those in pakistan who have also worked with same effort or maybe even less...!!! just barbarian !!!</p>

<p>Mr. Kunfuzed, I have a question from you, though you help a lot with providing information to the foreign students or maybe all, but how come you happen to know all this information? r u a student in pakistan or here in USA? or probably you have studied there and then setteled here in USA? am I correct? .....have you personally been to all the colleges? what about Army medical college, how's the environment there and whats the hostel system for AMC?.....</p>

<p>^ Concerning your post(s) akhan, I am not studying in Pakistan anymore and I attended all my schooling inc. currently college here in the U.S. I applied to medical school in 2005 after putting my studies on hiatus. I went to Pakistan and my parents and I were not guided through the admission process. Apparently Pakistani people have a bad habit of either telling you misleading information or falseifying information. Anywho - I had the honor of undergoing the tedious medical admission process as a foreign applicant in the U.S. I was accepted to K.E., went there for a year, then left and came back to the U.S. to continue my college education the following year. And yes I do believe that the IBCC's measure of deducting 20% of U.S. student grades is an unethical, senseless measure. From what I have been told, they do this because from what they believe: the U.S. education system is to easy. Yeah, pardon my use of vulgar language but that is pure bulls***! I have not been to Karachi but I have done my research on the medical schools in Sindh. I have however seen and visted all of the medical schools private and government in Faisalabad, Lahore, and Army Medical College which is affiliated with NUST University in Rawalpindi. AMC is a mere three to four minute from the Islamabad City Limits. Moreover I have come to know several Pakistani medical school graduates and dropouts who went to college or high school in the U.S. and pursued or were to pursue a career in Medicine. Speaking of AMC, you in luck. I have not been to the hostel, but I have seen the campus from outside during my trip to Rawalpindi in 2006. Hostel accomodations vary from school to school. From my personal exp. they usually pair you up with another foreign roomate. Also since you pay higher tuition fees certain accomadations such as air conditioning can be met (with an extra monthly fee). Akhan my best advice to you would be to finish college. With a B.A. or B.S. (whatever you choose to do) then apply to a Pakistani medical college. This may seem like your defeating the purpose because after all, applicants go to Pakistan so they can become an M.D. in the smallest amount of time and money, but I feel in your situation you would have much better luck if you pulled your grades at least to an A in physics, chemistry, bio, math. From personal exp. I submitted my college grades/transcript but the admission committee chose not to look at them because I was not finished with college. So I applied on the basis of my high school grades. I know someone who went to college in the U.S. for two to three years and then applied to Aga Khan w/o a degree. I'm not sure if this applicant got in, but I have a feeling that this is possible. Truthfully I am speaking from both personal experience and the guidelines of medical school admission as mandated by the PK govt. I would advise you to somehow contact the Pakistani Embassy - many applicant here in the U.S. either apply to medical school from them or they personally know someone in Pakistan i.e. Relatives that complete the process on their behalf.</p>

<p>Kunfuzed101, can you chance me for AKU and Dow pleeeeease :)</p>

<p>Am I the stereotypical desi wanna-be doctor or what.</p>

<p>Race: Obviously Pakistani (us citizen though, not sure if it's dual)
Rank/GPA: 7/439 fairly competitive school, gpa is 99.21, over 100 in sciences
SAT: 2200 (1470 cr+m)
SAT II: 740 chem, 760 math ii, 690 bio m
pres of health occupations students of america
pres of math club
vice pres of cultural club
2 yr hospital intern
hundreds of hours of volunteering
lots of math awards
national merit commended
ap scholar w/ honor</p>

<p>Other: Scared of living in pakistan (is that normal???), Low income bracket, most of family are doctors (some from Dow Univ.), obviously not that competitive but i'm motivated to do what i can to succeed.</p>

<p>So far so good. Judging by you SAT score you should get into AKU and Dow. If you made an A in high school Physics, Chemistry, Biology and your Math courses you should have a excellent chance in getting in. SAT 2200/2400 is impecabble! </p>

<p>Also I see that you stand in the low income range, and obiviously that may become a financial problem considering the out of pocket costs for AKU or Dow. Remember no financial aid is available for foreign students. I suggest you take out some private loans or look for other alternatives. </p>

<p>Good Luck.</p>

<p>hey kunfunzed 101 could u tell me how the IBCC rankings work please tell me what sat and sat !! score responds to what number and what rank/grades respond to what number and what is the total</p>

<p>IBCC is an unethical standard of measurement! Basically, here is what they do:
1. They convert your grades on the Pakistani system.
2. They deduct 20% off each letter grade (if you are an American student), other countries differ in the percent markoffs. I believe Canada is 10% but I'm not sure.
3. Once your grades have been assessed by the IBCC, similar to the SAT they will give you a score of marks (so to speak). The maximum one can get is 1100, a majority of the people who make it to medical school in Pakistan have 900 or above marks.</p>

<p>This link will explain your question in great detail gmail: <a href="http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/Equivalence/equivalence.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/Equivalence/equivalence.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also I would like to add that there is a fee for the grade conversion from the IBCC - I think its $70 US Dollars. And they do not convert your SAT score, they leave that as is. The SAT score range is apparent worldwide...even students in Pakistan take the SAT now (Bahria, LUMS, AGA) are just a few who require the SAT for admission, so I am quite sure they are familiar with that exam. Again the official link that I have provided should answer your question.</p>