<p>This is a 12th grade AP English Lit class.</p>
<p>“Nevertheless, the OP’s son could get an excellent education there if he stuck with majors in government, business, english, biblical studies. If he chooses to major in biology, then that’s a problem!!”</p>
<p>Wow…this went from my son doesn’t like when teachers push a liberal agenda to he should go to Liberty…but not to major is biology.</p>
<p>Yeah, geeps, I noticed that too. Apparently this thread has made your decision for you.</p>
<p>Geeps, if it’s really a concern then consider West Point. Not truly NE (more mid-Atlantic) but the academies actually adhere to a liberal arts curriculum more than LACs do. I really don’t see the issue with listening to different political viewpoints.</p>
<p>A student looking for a more rigorous school with values like Liberty’s would do well to check out Patrick Henry, a very selective school for evangelical Christians.</p>
<p>“I really don’t see the issue with listening to different political viewpoints.”</p>
<p>neither do I</p>
<p>geeps, what did you say your son wants to study? Rather than ruling out LACs, just look for LACs that have active and healthy ROTC programs. The Air Force ROTC website lets you search for detachments, probably others do as well. One LAC in the NE area you might consider is Ramapo College of New Jersey. Farther away, there’s Ripon in WI and the Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts is home to Georgia Tech’s ROTC units. You can also check out the College of Liberal Arts & Sciences at UNC Charlotte Program of Army ROTC.</p>
<p>JHS, what is with this post of yours? You must be messing with me. I bet youre sitting there thinking Watch this, thisll get him going.</p>
<p>You come across all reasonable sounding, and then you go and say The real problems come when teachers incorporate their agendas into their teaching – which everyone does, and which is not realistic to avoid – but don’t make clear that they are doing that. (You know, like saying we have to invade Iraq because they have weapons of mass destruction, and not mentioning your personal family vendetta or your desire to have U.S. troops stationed in the oil fields.)</p>
<p>What is that? That part about WMDs and family vendetta and all? You dont actually believe that as truth, do you? Naw. Cant be. Youre just using the absurd to point out the absurd arent you? Clever guy (or gal). </p>
<p>Aww you almost had me there. You kidder, you.</p>
<p>And then theres the part of your note where <em>you</em> tell <em>me</em> that my daughter cant tell whether her teacher is joking or not. No, you didnt use those words specifically, but thats what you said.</p>
<p>What part of this </p>
<p>Additionally, my daughter is old enough and smart enough and broad minded enough to put the politics aside - actually, shes kind of amused by it - and listen for his larger point.</p>
<p> and this </p>
<p>My daughter has been in his class all year. His political views were evident to her from the very beginning of the school year. She knows his body language and tone of voice. She can tell when hes joking and when hes not. He wasnt joking.</p>
<p> dont you understand?</p>
<p>Ill translate for you: My daughter is a really smart, mature, sensitive kid. She has a good sense about people. She knows that particular teacher really well. She likes him. He likes her. Hes one of the teachers that she asked for a letter of recommendation from, to go with her college applications. She can tell when hes telling a joke and when hes not.</p>
<p>You werent there. You dont know my daughter. You dont know her teacher. </p>
<p>She was there. She knows the teacher. <em>I</em> know the teacher, and I certainly know my own daughter.</p>
<p>It was not a joke.</p>
<p>What, you dont believe me? You think I made it up? Or my daughter did? </p>
<p>And then you parse the definition of the word joke and then use <em>that</em> to tell <em>me</em> what happened? Talk about audacity! </p>
<p>Look, I try to be reasonable. I try to be fair minded. I try to explain myself fully; to back up my positions; to recognize valid points by others and correct or revise the things I say. </p>
<p>And JHS, youre a good person. You say a lot of reasonable things.</p>
<p>But that wasnt one of them.</p>
<p>Give me a flippin break. Listen for meaning for Petes sake. Listen for the larger point. Quit quibbling over definitions for heavens sake.</p>
<p>End of rant.</p>
<p>Jeeps,
I am not saying your son “should” go to Liberty. Based on your posts, I am simply throwing out ideas. And yes, your son would not get a good scientific education in biology at Liberty.
However, I’ll stop posting now since you seem not to be interested in college suggestions. But I wish the best for you and your son and I will be interested in hearing what colleges he applies to when the time comes.</p>
<p>“Quit quibbling over definitions for heaven’s sake.”</p>
<p>…but that is what liberals do. this thread is a clear example.</p>
<p>“Rather than ruling out LACs, just look for LACs that have active and healthy ROTC programs”</p>
<p>UMM OK…thanks</p>
<p>Geeps,</p>
<p>"Quit quibbling over definitions for heavens sake."</p>
<p>…but that is what liberals do. this thread is a clear example.</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>I thought about talking about that in my post, but I saw that as off topic from what I was trying to say. And to give that topic the attention it deserves Im afraid Id end up creating another one of my long posts, which I dont have the time or energy for right now.</p>
<p>But yeah, the hounding you got from Cardinal Fang and 3togo to answer the question, and now JHS discussion of the word joke really does seem to be a pattern of behavior that is common among liberals. </p>
<p>For another time, perhaps.</p>
<p>I think geeps20 was simply looking for a college where the left wingers respect the rights of all on campus, not just those they agree with; a college in which speakers like Ann Coulter or David Horowitz can speak on campus without being shouted down, pied in the face or threatened with violence and the administration does nothing to protect the speakers and listeners rights; a college in which the stealing and burning of the conservative paper is not ignored by the administration; a campus where a peaceful pro life display of crosses won’t be knocked down by a professor and her students while the administration does nothing or how about simply a campus where a kid can write that he believes that marriage should be between a man and woman without the prof calling him a Fascist ■■■■■■■ in front of the class and to ask God what his grade is. These are just a few examples.<br>
There may be times when conservatives have done something similar, but I haven’t heard of any, especially with tacit support of the faculty or administration.</p>
<p>“There may be times when conservatives have done something similar, but I haven’t heard of any,”</p>
<p>Yankee Belle, I’m guessing, then, that you are not familiar with how gay students are treated on campuses. Verbal and even physical abuse are common.</p>
<p>“a campus where a kid can write that he believes that marriage should be between a man and woman without the prof calling him a Fascist ■■■■■■■”</p>
<p>actually, wasn’t he just reading the definition of marriage?..and the prof stated that if any students wanted to leave the class that they could do so.</p>
<p>winchester,</p>
<p>I certainly didn’t mean to give the impression that your daughter can’t recognize a joke. From your description – “my daughter is old enough and smart enough and broad minded enough to put the politics aside - actually, she’s kind of amused by it - and listen for his larger point” – it sounds like she has exactly the right attitude. And I guess I’ll have to take your word for it that this exchange didn’t register as a joke to her. When you put it on paper – and all I’m doing is reading your posts – it doesn’t register as anything OTHER than a joke to me. A joke with liberal content, sure. A joke that communicates contempt for our 43rd President, sure. But a joke. Funny.</p>
<p>Can jokes be the subject of valid criticism? Of course. If my daughter came home and said, “That Henny Youngman guy really hates his wife. He was saying the most horrible things about her. Maybe she ought to get a restraining order,” she wouldn’t be totally wrong about something ugly in Henny Youngman’s humor, but she would be overreacting a little.</p>
<p>And, yes, I was trying to illustrate the point by doing almost the same thing with my illustration of hidden agendas. Do I really believe that? Not quite, but close – certainly more than you do. I believe the public case made for the Iraq invasion did not reflect all of the motivations that the policymakers had, and I chose two provocative examples of such possible other motivations to tease you (and others) about hidden agendas on the right. I find it difficult to believe that anyone, including you, thinks that the decision to invade Iraq was explained by a clear and present danger of Iraqi WMDs. (And I would add that the inadequacy of that explanation, by itself, does not mean that the decision was a bad decision, although of course I think – and thought then – that it was.)</p>
<p>Anyway, my tease was not meant to insult you, but it was meant to provoke, and I suppose that isn’t very nice, so I apologize.</p>
<p>I wasn’t trying to “quibble over definitions” about the joke, either. I was trying to explain, as precisely as I could, why I thought it couldn’t be anything other than a joke. I remain a little flabbergasted to find that you actually attribute so little intelligence to liberals that you could believe that a mentally competent liberal would make a statement so patently absurd and mean it as the truth. (The patently absurd statement being, in essence, “Everyone agrees that George Bush is insane.”) What I take away from this is a reminder that, however much political conservatives may rail against Political Correctness, many of them have their own sacred cows about which they have absolutely no sense of humor.</p>
<p>Point taken, is the behavior by students or staff? And wouldn’t you want to know which colleges tolerate harassment before sending a gay kid there, just as geeps is trying to do to assess the attitudes of colleges before sending her kid?</p>
<p>Geeps you are correct. He was just reading the dictionary definition. When nobody left the prof cancelled the rest of class.</p>
<p>In some conservative Christian schools, I imagine professors get up in front of classes and announce that gays are child molestors who are going to sizzle in Hell. Does that count as harassment? One might argue that a student who goes to an evangelical Christian school already knows evangelicals hate teh gay, so it’s not harassment, just a statement of sincerely held religious beliefs. Or, one might say that there are gay students in such schools (which is true) and they shouldn’t be abused by their teachers.</p>
<p>And that’s the point of my questions-- what, for geeps, counts as objectionable?</p>
<p>geeps,
Hofstra College of Liberal Arts & Sciences. They have a strong ROTC program and a business school.
winchester recommended Thomas More College of Liberal Arts in an earlier post.
Ramapo offers a degree in Business Administration (and offers reduced tuition rates for state residents who receive a Type 7 AFROTC Scholarship)</p>
<p>As for your child’s interest in studying business:
“Embedding strong liberal arts content in business education appears to best position students for the flexible, increasingly global, and diverse workplace of the future … to find informed solutions that are both technically superior as well as critically and ethically evaluated” (Bobko and Tejeda 2000) (from [Blending</a> liberal arts & business education | Liberal Education | Find Articles at BNET](<a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NKR/is_1_90/ai_n6156809]Blending”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NKR/is_1_90/ai_n6156809))</p>
<p>Maybe you are more interested in railing on the politics of other posters rather than reading about LACs? I read your opinions in another post that “well… some feel you go to college to learn a skill…Not everyone wants or needs the humanities”, and “they shouldn’t have to [go to college to learn how to think]…that is not what I believe college is about. I guess some kids have to find themselves, but many kids are already very comfortable with who they are and don’t need the foo foo crap.” (from thread “In Tough Times, the Humanities Must Justify Their Worth”)</p>
<p>Even so, in response to your original question, LAC mistake for a conservative kid? No, not a mistake. Clearly.</p>