<p>Well…I am NOT giving up wine!!! Everyone has their limits.</p>
<p>And it is certainly in vogue to demonize any and all things gluten.</p>
<p>As for who drinks sweetened reduced fat milk? As I understand it, whole milk is not eligible for WIC or federal school lunch funding. 1% chocolate “milk” is eligible.</p>
<p>Nutrition label from a major brand of 1% chocolate “milk”:</p>
<p>As BB points out, note the 26 grams of sugar in an 8 ounce serving. Unflavored, unsweetened milk as 12 grams of sugar (lactose). The chocolate “milk” has that 12 grams (breaks down into glucose immediate), plus 14 grams of table sugar (glucose/fructose). That’s a little over a tablespoon of added sugar in an 8 ounce glass. The total sugar in this “healthy” 1% chocolate “milk” is approximately the same, ounce for ounce, as Coca-Cola.</p>
<p>The point David Ludwig is making is that their is no basis for the US Government guidelines to recommend three servings a day of this “food”.</p>
<p>I drink white wine on vacation, the lesser of the two evils, no red anymore.</p>
<p>I grew up in the era when the only beverage option offered with school lunch was a carton of luke-warm milk. I could not drink it, and just the thought of it makes me gag. Talk about being a dehydrated kid. I have never been able to drink milk without holding my breath.</p>
<p>I was grossed out on milk on the picture perfect family farm. That pot of straight from the cow, at cow temperature was the gag of all gag inducers.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t drink school milk either, Bay. I wasn’t a milk drinker growing up (and still am not), although I was OK with milk on cereal and was certainly OK with ice cream! My mother would make me “egg nog” which was milk, eggs and vanilla extract. I suspect there might have been some sugar added, since it seems that butter or sugar was added to a lot of things in our (no one overweight) household. Of course, in my early 50s I was diagnosed with significant bone density issues. Who knows if there is a connection? </p>
<p>I will continue to drink my milk. On occasion I do have condensed milk with certain meals. It’s more of a cultural food (Read: unknown to the average American). That is the only sweetened milk I have. </p>
<p>I will continue to eat my gluten, not that I ever sought it out. </p>
<p>I will continue to have my alcoholic beverages. I am aware of that they are ridden with calories, although I’m unsure exactly how much. (And I don’t want to know!)</p>
<p>I will continue to have my sweetened drinks. I like them. They like me. We’re happy together. :P</p>
<p>I will continue to do this until I choose not to (or my body chooses for me). One day I might grow out of my tastes, but this is what I do now. </p>
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I didn’t drink school milk. I can only tolerate cold milk and only certain brands. I do not know why, but I’m picky with my milk. Needless to say it contributed to a good amount of wasted milk while I was growing up. </p>
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<p>Unlikely, if my memory serves me correctly: The countries with the highest rate of milk consumption have the highest rates of osteoporosis.</p>
<p>Bay, that’s yucky! The milk that I drank with school lunches was cold. 
On very rare occasions when we drink milk, Mr B still insists on having his milk lukewarm - because that’s how he drank it when he was a kid. Yuck. </p>
<p>I am still digging through my PubMed search of Ludwig’s works. Great stuff! there is one paper that deals with public health approaches to curbing gun violence that is worth reading…</p>
<p>NIquii,</p>
<p>Everything in moderation probably won’t kill you, but I would pause before executing on your desire to drink gallons of milk in a week as you wrote earlier.</p>
<p>Niquii, LOL, I still like SPAM, but no longer condensed milk. 
Of course everything in moderation, even eating too much broccoli, the most touted anti-cancer vegetable can also cause a problem If you have low thyroid.</p>
<p>BTW, it is completely turning David Ludwig’s views on their head to cite him as being against the drinking of whole milk… He is one of the major proponents of the insulin-driven theory of obesity and notably argues against the consumption of sugar-rich processed food and high glycemic load carbohydrates. Read for yourself. Here is a major editoral he wrote for the New York Times six weeks ago:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/opinion/sunday/always-hungry-heres-why.html”>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/opinion/sunday/always-hungry-heres-why.html</a></p>
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<p>Ludwig goes on to point out that the public policy push towards low-fat “food” (such fat free milk discussed above) had led to the increase of sugar and highly refined carbs in the diet with predictable results.</p>
<p>He published a major study recently doing a tightly controlled study of a small number of obese young adults. After they lost 10% to 15% of their body weight on diets, he had each person eat three different diets for a month at a time (they provided all the food and measured energy expenditure, resting and total). One of the diets was the recommended low fat diet (60% carbohydrate. 20% fat, 20% protein). Another was a low-carb, high-fat diet (10% carbohydrate, 60% fat, 30% protein). A third was Ludwig’s claim tto fame (low glycemic load diets). Each person did all three diets. The calories in each diet (remember, they provided the food) were identical)</p>
<p>Here’s how Ludwig describes the results in his NYTimes editorial:</p>
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<p>Here’s the full study as published in JAMA in 2012:</p>
<p><a href=“http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154”>http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1199154</a></p>
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<p>As a side note, there is increasing evidence that high levels of insulin (and insulin-like growth factor) are indeed drivers of rapid growth rates in several major cancers. This is a very hot area of research right now. The real issue here is not whether drinking milk increases insulin production, but rather it’s the very large elephant in in the living room. Do the chronically elevated insulin levels from the government recommended low fat, ultra-high carb diet contribute to cancer (as well as obesity, type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and metabolic syndrome)? Lowering insulin levels is very easy to do. Anyone can do it. Just by doing the exact opposite of the government recommended diet. This is Ludwig’s concern: that the government should not recommend diets that harm people.</p>
<p>Ah, moderation. The key to a balanced life. </p>
<p>@Bay I said I could drink a gallon in a week at minimum, if I wanted to. I couldn’t imagine drinking gallons!</p>
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<p>I understood him to be against low-fat diets, but I did not read anywhere that he advocates drinking milk, did you?</p>
<p>“Unlikely, if my memory serves me correctly: The countries with the highest rate of milk consumption have the highest rates of osteoporosis.”</p>
<p>I have a problem with this statement. Is it just consumption of milk or… maybe due to lack of adequate health care access in those countries many cases simply go undiagnosed, and the real rates are not what they seem to be?</p>
<p>“Osteoporosis is greatly underdiagnosed and undertreated in Asia, even in the most high risk patients who have already fractured. The problem is particularly acute in rural areas. In the most populous countries like China and India, the majority of the population lives in rural areas (60% in China), where hip fractures are often treated conservatively at home instead of by surgical treatment in hospitals (221).”</p>
<p><a href=“Facts & Statistics | International Osteoporosis Foundation”>Facts & Statistics | International Osteoporosis Foundation;
<p>Or could it be genetics, sun exposure, longevity, etc.? </p>
<p>BB,</p>
<p>I am not a doctor nor a scientist. I am just interested in diet and health and read for my own edification. You seem more than capable of doing the research and drawing your own conclusions; I am not interested in doing the work for you.</p>
<p>Bay, that’s all good. I am not advocating that anyone who hates milk should drink it. Just make sure that you question everything you read. </p>
<p>Yes, fortunately I have questioned many of the misleading posts on this thread. </p>
<p>From the link above, I think I do have 2 things going for me.
I’m not
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I’m out in the sun all the time, I’m not an indoor person.</p>
<p>Sun exposure may or may not result in adequate levels of Vitamin D. It depends where you live, what clothing you wear outdoors, and your use of sunscreen. For example, here in NH, it is impossible to have adequate Vitamin D levels from sun exposure nine months a year and virtually impossible even in the summer. That’s true for most of the northern latittudes of the United States.</p>