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More liberal lecturing with the appropriate level of condescension. Keep up the good work, Kluge. The liberals are proud of you.</p>
<p>Glad to see you found the level “appropriate”, Razorsharp. :)</p>
<p>razorsharp: You realize, don’t you, that “Senators Warner, McCain, and Graham” probably represented, at the time, the most intelligent, sophisticated, experienced REPUBLICAN legislators on military and intelligence matters. Not to mention John McCain’s personal understanding of the trade-offs of international law, weak and ineffective as it may be. That’s how far Yoo (and Bush) were off the reservation: Their own party’s national security experts were taking names and kicking butt.</p>
<p>And what they said reflects my argument above: A policy of torture has high costs and low benefits. If it had high benefits and low costs – UCBCEG’s hypothetical – people would react differently. And torture was against the law. Yoo’s opinion was that the President had the inherent power to disregard those laws, not that they authorized what he did.</p>
<p>UCBEG? Sounds like some ballistic missile…that’s cool though. ;)</p>
<p>Don’t we sort of have a chicken and egg problem with this argument?</p>
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<p>Ha ha ha. Razorsharp. You’re a joke. Edley pretty much roundly disproves everything your saying. As do the following purges of leftist, not conservative, academics. What planet do you live on?</p>
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<p>And so this is an issue with liberals?</p>
<p>Edley fended off any attempt to go after Yoo, even though apart from whether one agrees or not with his conclusions, his reasoning was even according to many Republicans really substandard. Berkeley was just ranked the #6 law school in the nation. They have no use for 2nd rate talent – and may regret having granted to tenure to this one – but they aren’t trying to revoke his tenure for political reasons or even to find premises for doing so.</p>
<p>Wow, what spin.</p>
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No, they represent the Republicans most likely to suck up to the liberal media to gain brownie points. </p>
<p>If the lives of my family, friends, and neighbors depend on obtaining information from a terrorist, I don’t care how many terrorists are waterboarded. If some government employee refused to waterboard a terrorist with information that will save American lives, I can only hope the lives lost are those of Warner, McCain, and Graham’s families and not the rest of us who know that waterboarding is an appropriate interrogation technique.</p>
<p>Torture doesnt work b/c the info gained is not reliable. I would say anything you wanted to hear to save the life of me or my family. Whether I was innocent or not wouldnt matter. I would make it up just to end the torture. This is plain old common sense that has been known for years. Stop living in the make-believe land of “24” and come back to the real world.</p>
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<p>I am close to someone who ran interrogation for the US in Vietnam. He’s a Republican, by the way. But he’s someone without an axe to grind. He states the common sense position which is lost on people who don’t take time to think: when one tortures someone, one gets told lies or whatever someone wants to hear. </p>
<p>Beyond this, it’s not as if our enemies are going to take the high ground, but the worse we treat our captives in “combatant” situations, the less we are able to remonstrate internationally against our soldiers being tortured when the tables are turned.</p>
<p>Torture does nothing to help our interests in the long run.</p>