As others have said, his app will be read in the context of his HS (GPA/Rigor/rank/ECs, etc.)âŠthose factors will not be compared to applicants from his country, re-read Myos1634âs post #50 and skiâs #51. With that said, he will be considered an international student, so at some schools those slots are relatively limited, so it is a high bar.
There will be plenty of US colleges which would accept him and that will likely be affordable. But those wonât be schools with a prestigious name. Reaches can and should be a part of his list of course, and one of those might workout.
Are you considering colleges in Canada, as dadtwogirls suggested? I also think his advice here is spot on:
He isnât, please go back and read the full thread.
OOS public universities wonât be possible financially; they will review his record based on his HS and then not provide FA. Some colleges may not consider H4 the same way as F1 but you will need to show you have the money to pay or he wonât be allowed to attend.
He can apply to HYP Amherst Bowdoin Pomona Brown Dartmouth (top colleges often donât offer Business but he can study Economics or applied Math or from these colleges pretty much anything heâs good at.)
The bar is very high there for all and his is not the same as for Indian applicants from India because he attends a US HS. He should just apply to most or all of them.
He can apply to Penn State + Schreyer, Pitt +Fredericks Honors, Temple Honors. He will NOT be considered differently academically from a US applicant because he attends a US HS and AFAIK he will be considered a PA resident for costs.
He can apply to Dickinson where he will actually be in a good position because they like international applicants and provide FA. He can apply to Susquehannaâ AACSB business school. He can apply to Washington &Leeâs Business school and for the Johnson scholarship where they value diversity. At all these places his being Indian American culturally will actually be a plus. The issue will be FA but since you live in the US your income is an advantage (compared to a middle class student in India).
Many in the wider public confuse both so just in case - PSU and UPenn are different universities; Penn State is Pennsylvaniaâs flagship university and UPenn is a private Ivy League university.
UPennâs Wharton is the most selective undergraduate business school in the nation. Smeal is very selective too -more selective than Engineering but SAT 1450-1480 AND a 3.75 GPA means he has a good shot (under 1400, under 3.75 heâs better off applying DUS).
His records are from a US HS so he would be considered a US applicant to Europeâs and British colleges. He would be in the international fee category at all.
For the UK, St Andrews is used to American applicants, UEdinburgh, Kingâs, UCL, Durham, Bath etc., you can check out the Guardian and other University Leagues Tables. Oxbridge donât like American applicants much because the tutors invest time in their application then they get a better offer and dont come, but Oxford is more hospitable.
In any case heâd need 5 AP scores of 5 (Calc BC, AP Lang, AP Euro and/or APUSH, some other proof of quantitative skills such as Physics CâŠ)
France has 2 solid Bachelor of Business in English and of course he can apply to Sciences Po Reims or Reims/Columbia.
Miami University in Ohio is very different than most public universities because rather than being founded solely to serve its in state students, it was actually founded to pull talent into Ohio from outside of Ohio to network with talent from in state.
They have extended that mission globally and make their merit available to talented international students as well. Assuming your student continues their academic excellence, they would be considered for very good merit aid there.
Itâs an admission safety, but they have stopped publishing their merit tiers so it is harder to know without applying first if it will fit in the budget. They offer tuition, room & board cohort pricing (a fixed price that wonât change over the course of study) to students. There is also a competitive full ride he might be a contender for depending on his test scores, ECs and weighted gpa. They will recalculate his gpa based on rigor like AP classes, DE, IB with their own formula.
They do have a summer program he might consider for next year. Summer Scholars Program | Miami University
They are more known for their Farmer School of Business, but do offer engineering if your student changes course.
Apply by their EA deadline for best merit.
I agree to all what you are saying. Also I keep reading all the answers carefully. I thank all people here who are trying to help me and give me good directions. Donât take me wrong but there is a disconnect.
He may be considered based on his US credentials in the first pass of admission but profile wise they have a fixed percentage of international students. They are not increasing this percentage.
If you look at a very simple way of calculating.
Student A (citizen) - Was 60-80 ranked in Physics and (for the case) say Chemistry Olympiad too.
Student B( Indian) - Was same as Student A i.e. 60-80 ranked in Olympiads in India and say rank 500 in IIT jee.
The data says student A is almost surely in for the best college. Student B has very less chance to get in as rank 1 IIT and rank 5 in Olympiad from his country applied too and he has a comparative disadvantage.
Now my son wants to work super hard for these Olympiads in US. He is estimating that he can get somewhere in 60-80 or more better ranks like Student A. Assuming he does that. The AO sees his profile with all 5 APs, state science projects consistent winner, ARML team member , hours of charity etc + fairly good rank in olympiad. He is in for the first round scan. Then comes his category- for them he is basically from India. They have 5 born genius from India or any country, ranked top 10 in IITs. Definitely they are yes and NOT him.
This is my calculation and thinking. I agree to other advices like at the end nothing matters or life is not just these colleges or there are other colleges which are good enough. At the end of the day , how to motivate a kid who had a path clearly figured out but all of a sudden comes to know that hardest path he chose is still no good.
US immigration process being a pain for myself for years was ok but now it hits my kid too (who knows no other country) That is sad. Another ridiculous reality is if on DACA or illegal you have more advantages.
Your S will find good options, whether in the US, Canada, UK or EU. His hard work isnât lost, it will continue to benefit him for the rest of his life.
It seems like you arenât in the best place, but to suggest that DACA and/or undocumented immigrants are advantaged is too much. In several states, these students canât even attend the public colleges at any price.
Lastly, if your S doesnât have his green card by the time he turns 21 he will age out of the H-4 visa in the US and need to get a student visa from his home countryâŠthat process can take awhile so something to plan for when he turns 20. Staff at his college should be able to help with that.
Please stop making generalizations about your student as an international residing here. Folks are trying to give you college specific information which will help in your situation. Everytime they do, you respond with the same confusion.
These folks are giving you some very helpful and promising information about specific colleges. Please look at this helpful information.
Agreed. I sympathize with the OP but no reason here to claim that DACA students are being unfairly advantaged.
I agree. I take back my words about DACA. Spare my lack of knowledge and sorry for being insensitive in that area. Being troubled surely does not imply all others are at a better position.
My attempt was to clarify @MYOS1634 (who is real helpful and trying best to help me in all ways) what is the exact thing bothering me. I appreciate all advices and in no way taking them lightly. Apologies again if I hurt anybodyâs sentiments.
I am not sure but I am not confusing. I am clarifying my point.
Thanks. I will be pro active on this point. Its a relief that CSPA protects him from aging out for GC.
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Chances for green card bleak since country of origin is years away from priority date, so will be applying as an H4.
âIn 1990, Congress set the annual limit for employment-based green cards at 140,000, including dependents, a level far from high enough since the demand for technical talent has exploded in recent decades due to the internet, smartphones, AI, e-commerce and other innovations. At the same time, lawmakers retained a per-country limit of 7%. The per-country limit has most harmed highly skilled professionals from India, China and the Philippines due to larger populations.â
Never mind. Bleak chance to get a green card.
I just updated the titleâs language to make the visa/Green Card status clearer.
OP- sending you a hug.
I know the system is frustrating- and you have three levels of frustration- college admissions (lots to learn and navigate), your own immigration status (surely a pain) AND your sonâs status.
Just sending you a word of encouragement- there are zillions of kids who have various complexities they need to navigate-- different complexities than yours, but tough situations for sure. Kids whose parents rely on their part time earnings to pay the electric bill- so regardless of their academic accomplishments, they arenât even considering going to a full time university- even if they get accepted- because the family relies on their income. Kids who have tough family responsibilities- they are the full time translator for grandmaâs chemotherapy or dadâs dealings with the bank for a small business loan, or taking care of younger siblings after school- so no extra curriculars for them. And kids from families with very dysfunctional parents- addicted or abandoned or whatever- who donât have a loving and capable parent like you to make sure they launch successfully.
Iâve seen some of these kids who HAVE succeeded and to be honest- they are HEROIC. Maybe a guidance counselor has helped. Maybe they got into a really safe and loving foster family situation. Or maybe thereâs a social worker who can get the family help (translation, eldercare, childcare, subsidy for their living expenses from a private foundation which helps the needy) so the college bound kid can actually make it to college. But still heroic. The odds are stacked against these kids in multiple ways.
So just some perspective. I think we can ALL agree that your son is going to go on to do wonderful things in life. And whether he ends up at a Penn State campus or a private U, he has such a strong foundation and family backing!!! Now you just need to figure out the college application piece while you assume that the Green Card isnât happening soon-- piece of cake, right? (Iâm jokingâŠ)
Hugs. And kudos for raising such an accomplished kid!
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