<p>If you take one comment out of context you can spin it endless ways, which is what many are doing.</p>
<p>If you don’t take it out of context the parallels with Jesus’ reputation are there; speaking of which, how many churches take one passage from the bible and use it to justify their beliefs (poetsheart it correct - Wright is known nationally for his biblical scholarship). And my story was to represent that I’m taking a stand based not on heresay and media reports, but from my direct knowledge of people who attend there, and serve in ministry roles there. But you will always question it, regardless of information to the contrary that people provide.</p>
<p>“his pastor was spurring old, unjust hatreds”</p>
<p>Apparently your hatred of Muslims, children of Muslims, and people who (horrors!) lived among Muslims is a just hatred?</p>
<p>Make no mistake. If you view the fact that someone has Muslims in the family and lived among Muslims as evidence that he’s a terrorist sympathizer…that’s hate.</p>
<p>In your world, nobody needs to answer any question.</p>
<p>In your world, maximum freedom must be enforced at all times, to the point of being recklessly irresponsibe ( putting on kid gloves for Obama is a prime example. He’s applying for the job of commander-in-chief ! )</p>
<p>By the way I have a muslim neighbor from Azerbijan and I love him and his family. I am not bigotted like you think. </p>
<p>But I do take defense and security of my country seriously because there are many people out to harm America and the West. And they don’t play by the rules. That’s why tough questions must be asked. That’s why we have check-in patrol in airports, among other things. For someone like you they must be unnecessary, just another form of perpetuating hatred of muslims, I envision.</p>
<p>I’ve never understood the uproar about Reverend Wright. If nothing else who knows what his intent was in saying what he said, perhaps just to provoke thought on the part of his parishoners and nothing more. </p>
<p>Had he lived, Martin Luther King’s next speech was entitled something like “Why America is going to Hell”.</p>
<p>This is not a perfect nation and we’ve engaged in good and bad and sometimes that bad does “come home to roost”. </p>
<p>This Reverend Wright nonsense is much to do about nothing.</p>
<p>This is an article about Martin Luther King Jr. and his growing restlessness over Vietnam and the plight of the poor in America. The sermon he was crafting when he was assassinated was called ‘Why America May Go to Hell.’</p>
<p>The Newsweek makes no mention of the contents of that speech. Bullwinkle, a source? Somehow those words sound more like Malcolm X than anything else.</p>
<p>Is everything “just” this or “just” that ? Example: just to provoke thoughts and nothing more ? What kind of thoughts ? What so bad about this man ? He destroys lives. He motivates the vulnerables to hate their government.</p>
<p>What a totally preposterous thing to say. Who’s life has Jeremiah Wright destroyed? Be specific. You can’t possibly know what he motivates people to do lest they tell you. Tell me who he has motivated to “hate their government”. Be specific and provide examples that prove your claim. You know as well as I that you can’t do that. There’s nobody from Trinity Church of Christ who has ever been accused of plotting to overthrow the United States Government, carry out acts of terrorism, or even riot in the streets. You have no idea what you’re talking about, and you know it. What’s more, you refuse to acknowledge any information that runs contrary to your hyperbolic drivel. Really, Evest. You truly need to cultivate some intellectual honesty.</p>
<p>Proof is on the tape. He said what he said. It’s on tape! This man motivates the vulnerables,the weak to hate their government without just cause. He destroys lives by what he didn’t do - to motivate people to look at what they can do to their better their lives. You don’t see ?</p>
<p>Who knows the hearts of men? Who knows what Wright had planted? It’s naive of you to write it off as harmless drivel. Your liberal mind is driving you to defend every accused, rightful or not.</p>
<p>How do you not know that his sermons didn’t inspire someone to get off their butt and do something about their lives?</p>
<p>The people I know who attend that church would be offended at being called vulnerable. They are highly respected professors at the seminary consortium in Hyde Park.</p>
<p>1st paragraph: “Wright’s preaching exploits the vulnerables and makes them hate their government.”</p>
<p>2nd paragraph: “Who knows what his congregants thought about his speech?”</p>
<p>Well, since obviously you don’t consider yourself qualified to know what Wright’s congregants were thinking, I guess we’ll just have to go on their word, namely that Wright isn’t presiding over some anarchist anti-government church designed to inculcate its members with lies. Or would that not be acceptable with your worldview?</p>
<p>I’m somewhat taken aback that a place such as CC that supposedly includes so many educated people is so anti Obama. My child is a first generation college student and our family is all voting for Obama. Yes we are bitter about the last seven years but hopeful for the future!</p>
<p>PrimetimeMom: Of all the things I would characterize CC as, anti-Obama certainly isn’t one of them. Obama gets consistently derided by a vocal few posters, which makes him seem much less popular than he is. You should see the Hillary threads for real hatred.</p>
<p>PrimetimeMom - and just what do you think Obama can DO that gives you hope for the future? He barely has any experience in government at the federal level. And, given that he has said he would conferr unconditionally w/ terrorists, bomb Pakistan (one of our allies), and move the troops out of Iraq and then move them back again if alQaida sets up a base there, it appears he has a pretty naive view of his responsibility as Commander-in-Chief. He has been named as the number one MOST LIBERAL senator, and his programs call for INCREASED spending and MORE governement intrusion into our private lives…</p>
<p>Does that give you hope?</p>
<p>And just as an aside - Thomas Jefferson had two precepts by which he formed his view of the role of government:
!. That government which governs LEAST governs BEST; and,
2. That governemnet is BEST which is CLOSEST to the people.</p>
<p>Given the Democrats’ penchant for big government programs, increased taxes & spending, and more Federal control, I’m surprised anyone with sense would embrace the Liberal (“Progressive”) Philosophy. Is it because the general public is uneducated about this? Maybe Conservatives need to do a better job in spelling out just what it is we stand for (smaller government, less taxes). Granted, the Republican Government of late hasn’t adhereed strictly to our professed values, but our current candidate, I’m certain, will do a MUCH better job (he should’ve been elected in 2000!), and will also -as he has demonstrated numerous times - put partisanship aside when necessary to actually get somethig done in Washington. Now THAT is something which should REALLY give you hope for the future!</p>
<p>From Dr. Martin Luther King on March 18, 1968, a portion of his speech to the strikers in Memphis. Much different than Reverend Wright. I think not. Untrue, I think not. It seems that somewhere along the line the passions and fight for freedoms in the 60’s and the rightful questioning of the government have given way to a return to blind obedience and the dogma of love it or leave it. In any event, from Dr. King:</p>
<p>"And I come by here to say that America too is going to Hell, if we don’t use her wealth. If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty, to make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to Hell. I will hear America through her historians years and years to come saying, "We built gigantic buildings to kiss the sky. We build gargantuan bridges to span the seas. Through our spaceships we were able to carve highways through the stratosphere. Through our airplanes we were able to dwarf distance and place time in chains. Through our submarines we were able to penetrate oceanic depths.</p>
<p>But it seems that I can hear the God of the universe saying, “even though you’ve done all of that, I was hungry and you fed me not. I was naked and ye clothed me not. The children of my sons and daughters were in need of economic security, and you didn’t provide for them. So you cannot enter the kingdom of greatness.” This may well be the indictment on America that says in Memphis to the mayor, to the power structure, “If you do it unto the least of these my brethren, you do it unto me.”…</p>
<p>Sounds alot to me like Reverend Wright warning that our chickens (injustices) may be coming home to roost. And if your freedoms mean anything, why do they stop for some when that freedom leads to questioning our government, a government that is not divine and is most certainly fallible.</p>
<p>Some of the things MLK, Jr. has stated in speeches (when speaking in front of a “black” crowd), is not all that dissimilar in theme from some of what Wright has said.</p>
<p>Funny, during the past remembrance of the anniversary of MLK, Jr.'s assassination, I didn’t hear Hillary or McCain denounce MLK, Jr., just praise.</p>
<p>PrimtetimeMom writes: I’m somewhat taken aback that a place such as CC that supposedly includes so many educated people is so anti Obama.</p>
<p>Primetime: On CC and everywhere educated and uneducated (whatever that means, as education can take place outside of a school system) are permitted to voice their opinions. I think that you are being very presumptive here in that, if I read you correctly, the more educated the person, the more of an Obama supporter they are. </p>
<p>If you are ‘taken aback’ you are going into these boards with assumptions about the people who post here and their political views. Perhaps try to put your assumptions aside.</p>
<p>Do you think those that do not support Obama are uneducated?
Do you think there are too many non-Obama supporters here?</p>
<p>Answer:
The kind of congregants that have a buffoon as their pastor,
The kind of congregants that got fed anti-government junks,
The kind of congregants that support a pastor who needs a 10000 sq ft house in a rich,white neighborhood while he detest the same people in church</p>
<p>I wonder what the drive to church from his mansion is like. How does he prepare for his performances? And what must he be thinking on the same drive back to the mansion.</p>
<p>Wright’s surmon inspires someone to get off his butts? Perhaps but in what way because all he did sow hate and division. Stop making excuses for him.<br>
The more you make excuses for him the more embolden these crooks become.</p>
<p>^ Well, you pretty much indicted the vast majority of African-Am ministers, including the late MLK, Jr.</p>
<p>As for the anti-govt. “junks” - I hope you are just as hard on all of the various groups (left, right, etc.) which have all criticized govt. policies.</p>
<p>And oh, Lincoln was one of the most fierce critics of Pres. Polk and US govt. policy towards Mexico - (what a “traitor”!).</p>
<p>McCain has the decency and integrity to reject the use of such fodder (like there isn’t plenty in Clinton’s closet/associations), while Hillary DOESN’T (which is hardly surprising).</p>