Liberal Racism?

<p>Back in the day, it wouldn’t even have been a subject for controversy whether “liberals” were “racist”. Of course they were. People who were self-defined “liberals” had negotiated with themselves over the extent of the personal commitment they had to make to social change, including dismantling the system of racial privilege that mini properly calls “racism”, and had convinced themselves that it was OK to take an incremental approach, and thus to continue to enjoy the benefits of racial privilege. Liberalism and (moderate) racism were, for all practical purposes, an identity. That was the line between Leonard Boudin, a famous liberal lawyer, and his daughter Kathy, a violent revolutionary, convicted bomber, fugitive, federal inmate . . . Even today, every thoughtful, sophisticated liberal of my generation will, in the proper context, more or less automatically admit to being a racist, as a sign of understanding what and who one is.</p>

<p>That hardly gets “conservatives” off the hook, however. Sure, it is theoretically possible that and individual could be politically conservative out of a deep, considered conviction that conservative political principals are the only certain means for dismantling the system of racism. I’ve met a handful of such people, although since they were mostly white and enjoyed the benefits of racial privilege their convictions were a little suspect, but I don’t doubt their good faith. Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas may be such conservatives, too, although that is subject to debate. But the vast majority of political conservatives are not only contented beneficiaries of racial priviege, but enthusiastic defenders of the status quo. For the most part, political conservatism and racism is an identity, too.</p>

<p>So, of course a conservative wouldn’t vote for Obama if his name were Al Gore or Jack Kennedy and he were white as snow. But all that means is that he or she didn’t vote for Gore or Kerry out of racism. I don’t see the moral value of being so racist that one would never even get to the point of considering voting for a mainstream candidate of color, because that candidate’s political position would almost certainly be a challenge to the system of racial privilege that the voter enjoys.</p>

<p>As for Obama, “race prejudice” --not racism – plays a small, but important part in his electoral prospects. Certainly there are some people who might otherwise be Democratic voters but who either will not vote for a black candidate or feel uncomfortable with aspects of Obama’s personality and presentation that derive from his identification as an African-American. Traditionally, one could gauge that by a fairly standard difference between black candidates’ polling numbers and their actual vote totals, which in the past has tended to be around 5%. That held true for some of the early Democratic primary contests, but as the Obama campaign picked up speed it tended to vanish in the later contests. That’s one of the reasons why even some sophisticated political types see him as a legitimately transformative candidate.</p>

<p>And as for me, liberal racist that I am, my heart is going to be bursting with pride (and self-satisfaction) as I cast my vote for Obama in November. They should have cameras in the voting booths, like at the end of the flume rides at Six Flags, so they can sell people like me pictures of themselves enjoying that historic moment. Many of my conservative (racist) friends are not so different. They plan to vote for McCain, of course, but if Obama wins it will deepen their pride that they live in the greatest country on Earth, the one that has finally overcome racism. As if.</p>

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<p>True, but all it demonstrates is the possibility of racism among Democrats; not Liberal racism. A HUGE difference.</p>

<p>“And as for me, liberal racist that I am, my heart is going to be bursting with pride (and self-satisfaction) as I cast my vote for Obama in November.” </p>

<p>Well, I will bring in a camera myself. I may add that we have GB and the GOP to thank. The mess they created have made this possible in my lifetime.</p>

<p>Because, as we all know, everything that is going wrong or has ever went wrong in this country is now the fault of the GOP and George Bush.</p>

<p>“Latte Liberals” - the nastiest sort of people! Fork wielding liberals? The nicest.</p>

<p>I’ve always felt that conservatives are much more fair-minded, because they respect the inherent ability of all people to pick themselves up and take care of themselves. That promotes dignity and encouragement. When people really do need help, conservatives believe that individuals and communities can and will handle it.</p>

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<p>I’m laughing! … And I despise lattes! </p>

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<p>It depends on the conservative. :slight_smile: …</p>

<p>“Because, as we all know, everything that is going wrong or has ever went wrong in this country is now the fault of the GOP and George Bush.”</p>

<p>Nah, a portion of the blame goes to Bill Clinton. If he had restrained his libido, Bush never would have become president in the first place.</p>

<p>I do find much liberal ideology to be patronizing and occasionally racist.</p>

<p>Patronizing for sure. Frequently race-baiting for double, triple sure.</p>

<p>Where do you people get your sophisticated analysis? Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News?</p>

<p>Really, this is one seriously misinformed thread. What is your source for this “liberal ideology” you find so patronizing and racist? What do you mean by “racist”?</p>

<p>I think I will take my racist liberal - or is it liberal racist - or racial liberalist - self to Starbucks to get a delicious latte. Maybe I’ll make it a mocha.</p>

<p>As an ultra-liberal, I get my latte with soy milk.</p>

<p>When conservatives call liberals racist, it’s essentially “I’m rubber and you’re glue; what you say bounces off me and sticks to you.” Sorry if that sounds patronizing.</p>

<p>"I’ve always felt that conservatives are much more fair-minded, because they respect the inherent ability of all people to pick themselves up and take care of themselves. That promotes dignity and encouragement.:</p>

<p>My life experiences has shown that to be true. Conservatives like to be ‘shown’ your worth. Liberals like to be ‘talked’.</p>

<p>On a larger scale, Jindal’s election in LA kind of proves that point.</p>

<p>"“I’ve always felt that conservatives are much more fair-minded, because they respect the inherent ability of all people to pick themselves up and take care of themselves.”</p>

<p>Liberal translation: “Devil take the hindmost.”</p>

<p>I think liberals (broad generality…no one individual) are a lot more likely to voice their opinion for a cause and then do nothing about it (maybe write a check - not get their hands dirty) or go overboard with it (PETA, Greenpeace, etc…). Extremism. </p>

<p>All I can do is use Cincinnati as an example (can’t speak for other areas). There are many surrounding cities, townships, etc… in the area. The nicest communities are the ones with the best schools, kind of makes sense. The top half-dozen or so school districts in the area are overwhelmingly conservative (i.e. republican). When it comes to the schools and volunteer hours they are always near the top according to the State PTA. Open houses and meet the teacher nights regularly get 80% attendance from parents and a decent percentage of cases, grandparents as well. I think conservatives tend to do rather than talk…as mentioned above. Let the flaming being…</p>

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As an ultra-Abbie Hoffman-esque-radical, I don’t drink latte. Instead, I drink gasoline. My increased consumption of gasoline will cause prices to go up, leading to more efforts towards alternative energy! The stomach aches are a pain, though…</p>

<p>Ever notice that the Democratic Strongholds (D.C., L.A., Detroit, for example) where Liberalism flourishes have the most problems - terrible schools, housing projects in disrepair, gang violence, high crime rates, more teenage pregnancy, drugs, etc.</p>

<p>If the dems are so good at what they do, then why are there still so many problems in the dem-controlled areas?</p>

<p>Statistically, the south has the highest crime rates and the worst schools, actually.</p>