Life in Retirement - We've made it! Now what? (No investment discussions permitted)

I sometimes think about my MIL, who wishes she would have traveled more. They stopped traveling in their seventies, because my FIL was disinterested. She was still very healthy, but didn’t travel because of him. Now she’s 97, and every time we talk about travel, she says she wishes she would have done it while she could. It makes her sad. I think if she would have started taking little trips on her own, she might have been comfortable enough to do a longer one. I think maybe she was waiting for him to pass away before she did anything, but she just waited too long.

And now my mom has dementia, and no desire to travel. She used to, but my father crushed that for her, with his lack of interest. She is healthy and fit as can be, I would be her personal travel agent and guide anywhere she wants to go, but her brain can’t handle it. So I gave up!

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My parents cruised a lot in their later years, primarily traditional Caribbean cruises on Holland America. My mom was 10 years younger than Dad. After he passed, she took off across the world - Baja California and Northern Europe/Russia cruises, escorted Australia/New Zealand trip, San Diego-Hawaii cruise, and much more. She slowed down after 80 and stopped going on her own after she kept falling and getting hurt (mostly at home but once in a cruise ship bathtub - that was quite a story). I went with her on her last cruise and she barely left the ship but enjoyed reminiscing.

She’s my inspiration but she was braver than me. Plus I don’t want husband to discover he doesn’t really need me around.

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Before my husband died, he often stayed home to work while I traveled to see our daughters or friends or traveled to Europe for work (he would have been welcome to join me).

Toward the end, he regretted not going on my work trips — I could have extended them for time for us.

I also regret that my mother did not seem to be comfortable or interested in traveling without my father. She died at 61 when I was 32 (and had just had her first grandchild). By then my husband and I had been married 8 years and had lived in several great Navy ports/bases, including San Diego, Monterey, and near Seattle.

My parents did not travel much and only came once to each duty station. I really wish my mom had made an effort to travel independently. (My father really only wanted to golf at his home course).

I’m still working (retiring later this year?) but I am now traveling so much that I’m intending to buy an Annual Travel Insurance policy.

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@Mom22039, what does the travel insurance you have purchased cover?

I have focused on medical care. If you are on Medicare and you need medical care while abroad, I believe that you need to pay the costs for treatment, drugs, hospitalization, etc. and request reimbursement from Medicare or your Medicare supplement. I purchased medical travel insurance (includes airlifts if needed) from BCBS because I can be out of the country 10 or more times a year (used to be a lot more but the Pandemic convinced companies that you could do a lot of stuff via videocalls). Thus far I have not used foreign medical care.

An Annual travel policy is well worth it. We used to never buy travel insurance, then along came Covid. If you haven’t found something you like yet, definitely check out squaremouth where you can compare all the features of different policies.

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MedJet covers medical evacuation from whatever hospital to the hospital chosen by the insured (not by the insurance company). It’s unusual because it leaves the choice to the patient. It will evacuate patient and caregiver/spouse, including a private jet and nurse as needed. This is especially useful to folks who are traveling to more remote areas who may prefer care from Western MDs & med centers.

They have an annual fee or you can buy for several years. If you’re over a certain age, you have to complete paperwork & get approved. Discount for AARP members.

My siblings got Chase Sapphire Reserve, ostensibly for travel insurance, trip evacuation, hotel benefits & airport lounges.

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I got a BCBC product called GeoTrekker or something like that. It includes up to $500K for medical transportation. It covers medical care abroad but I just looked at the website and the maximum international medical coverage is $1 MM but drops to $100K at age 70. Potentially problematic. I will look for another one.

I will check but I think the cards I charge flights to provide some travel insurance (Chase Sapphire, Amex Plat) but I charge some flights to a JetBlue MC and will check that it provides travel insurance. I will also compare to squaremouth. Thanks @busdriver11.

Incidentally, I have always assumed that travel insurance was the kind of pseudo-insurance that would never pay as the fine print would almost always rule out payment. Has anyone actually received payment from travel insurance?

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I did get payment from travel health insurance (GeoBlue) in 2018 for an allergic reaction that was treated in Israel.

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How much did the treatment in Israel cost compared to what it would have cost in the US?

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Hahahahaha I almost included this information but thought someone might get mad at how clearly it demonstrates the need for universal single-payer health insurance :slight_smile:

I ate one bite of a cheese sandwich that mistakenly had cashew pesto (allergy to tree nuts). Within 45 minutes, I was unconscious on the street (*). An ambulance came, and also one of the special mopeds that the Magen David Adom invented that can get through very urban areas. They stabilized me with two separate epipen treatments and probably fluids/steroids/etc. Then I was taken to the hospital and observed/treated for the rest of the day (about eight hours).

They spoke to me at release, saying, “you may have US insurance, and we can bill in general, but you will have to pay the ambulance up front because it’s a different service.” I thought to myself, “well, they saved my life. I do have some mutual funds in case of emergency.” They said, “that will be 700 shekels (about $180 at the time).” I thought to myself, that’s less than the donation I planned to send you when I got home (!!). The total cost including everything was maybe 1000 shekels. Certainly overall a bill of less than $500. I did indeed send a donation of $250 to MDA as well.

In the USA, the ambulance alone would have cost in the thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands. Heck, they charged at the time something like $500 just for one set of epipens if people didn’t get discounts (I realize there was a settled lawsuit in the meantime about that). I imagine that the brief hospital stay would also have been costly.

(The hospital experience was kind of interesting. It was on a Friday, and there were several volunteers who kept coming through the triage area, including what I can only describe as Klezmer Mariachis, as well as someone who gave out challahs for shabbat.)

(*) being in the street saved me. Initially, I felt kind of itchy and was going to go back to the hotel and take a Benadryl. At the last minute, DS16 said he would come with me. We got back and since it was actually an airbnb in Jerusalem, there was only one key which I’d left with DH and the other kids. Both of these facts (with DS and outside) meant that when I did collapse, it was in public and with someone to get help. I suspect that if I had actually had a hotel room key and just went to lie down alone, I would have died. I did get rapidly worse during this whole time, and it was a very quick transition from “do I really want to waste a day of vacation getting medical help” to “crash on sidewalk”. My last waking thought as I saw the moped approach was, “I’m not sure I can hold on to that guy’s waist to get to the hospital”. (The MDA pioneered this thing where in urban areas, they send a moped EMT ahead of the ambulance if it’s a very crowded street. That person has epipens - and likely Narcan, insulin, IED, etc. But no, you don’t ride behind him on the way to the hospital; they stabilize you in situ.)

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Have a friend who recently landed in the hospital in Greece with 2 broken wrists (fell down marble stairs at her hotel). When they knew she had the geoblue or equivalent insurance (wasn’t sure which one) they treated her like a queen. She didn’t pay anything upfront for the hospital, ambulance, surgery, or doctors. She did book her own new flight home and I assume she got reimbursed for it.

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p.s. I found the receipt that I sent to Geoblue and was fully reimbursed - they did the rest of the charge without me paying anything. Apparently I remembered a bit wrong (sorry!)
2018nutreceipt

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I’ve used GeoBlue for travel abroad - it’s medical trip insurance, just not trip insurance - very comprehensive.

I liked that it’s backed by BCBS and they offer all sorts of perks such as evaluating local health providers for you, having someone who speaks the language of the country navigate some of the logistics of getting treatment, evacuation (extracting you down from a mountain a well as flying you home). A somewhat morbid (but useful if needed) aspect is repatriation of remains. So your family doesn’t spend $30k bringing you home if there’s a fatal event.

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My sister had trip cancelation coverage with Chase Sapphire Reserve and got a full refund of trip for her and her H that she canceled because brother died and she decided she just couldn’t go.

I’ve had a friend who had medical coverage for trip and ended up ill on a cruise and all medical expenses were covered when he was ill aboard.

I’ve personally never had medical care out of country. So far my mini-pharnacy has been enough. I did cancel our trip to europe when the volcano began erupting in Iceland after getting a note from my lung doc saying I couldn’t go. Every company offered full refunds for me, H and our 2 kids, even tho most were “non-cancellable.”

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I looked into that policy, and it does have large numbers, but it looks like both medical coverage and evacuation insurance are secondary, so you have to file with whatever coverage you have for that otherwise first, then they pick up the tab. When I went to squaremouth to select a policy, I was looking for someone who gave primary coverage, but I don’t know if that matters.

We have ended up with an annual policy through Allianz. It doesn’t pay much in trip cancellation fees (2K), but it has evacuation insurance of $500K and medical coverage up to 50K. Not much medical coverage, but our insurance company has always covered most everything overseas. My husband had a stroke in Switzerland many years ago, and even with the ct scan and emergency room visits, it only cost us a couple hundred dollars. Delta even moved our flight to the next day for free, upgraded us to business class and sent a huge gift basket to our home. I can’t believe how kind they were. We wouldn’t have bothered to file travel insurance if we had it.

We have an upcoming trip to Vietnam, Cambodia and Singapore, and if something happens, I don’t even know what policy we’d file. We got one specifically for this trip for higher cancellation insurance, plus we have the annual policy and credit card coverage. I guess we’re triple covered. But the annual Allianz has an app that I downloaded that is pretty comprehensive should we need help or to file a claim.

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Are you saying you purchased a special policy from BCBS just for travel? I have BC/BS, and I purchase additional insurance when I travel, mostly to cover if I have a medical issue/need to be evacuated.

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Few years ago when we traveled to Thailand D2 got very sick and she had to go to a hospital. At that time she was on my insurance. My insurance company treated it as in network, so I had to pay very little out of pocket. I don’t remember if I had United or BCBS.
Amex platinum has good travel insurance and medical airlift. I don’t buy extra insurance when I travel. It maybe different when I am on Medicare.

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Yes, Medicare will not cover anything out of the country. You will need a travel plan at that time.

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One of my things I do is follow Facebook travel groups.

It’s interesting to see how trips can go sideways.

One thing that trip insurance can do for you is they have a representative to help. They can find a translator, they can change travel plans. And if someone passed away in a foreign country, they can make plans to get the body home.

It’s not just about medical care, it’s about the next steps and getting home.

You can always contact the consulate in the country you are in or your congressional office.

I always always buy the travel insurance. Peace of mind to me.

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Right. My thought is that we are buying peace of mind that in the unlikely event of medical problem we’ll have an advocate as well as coverage. It may be overkill, but it reduces the stress level for me being abroad. (Hubby is great on medical knowledge etc. However I am not and would need help. Retirement of our long term trusted PCP made me more keen on the travel medical insurance)

For Mexico, we’ve use Allianze from our AAA travel agent for Mexico (she won’t book Mexico trips without it… not sure if it is a AAA rule or hers) and Europe. Sometimes in combo with cancellation insurance.

For our recent trip to London, we “self insured” for cancellation. (Used frequent flier miles and booked hotels with higher/cancellable rates). We also paid $198 (total for 2 people, one on Medicare) for GeoBlue medical/evac coverage.

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