Lights out for Clinton + The Day After

<p>From AP: "SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - Former Sen. George McGovern, who backed Hillary Rodham Clinton, is urging her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race.</p>

<p>McGovern said Wednesday he has decided to endorse Barack Obama.</p>

<p>After watching the returns from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries Tuesday night, McGovern says it’s virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination.</p>

<p>McGovern says he is calling former President Clinton to tell him of the decision and adds that he remains close friends with the Clintons. "</p>

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<p>Do you think this call will be at 3:00 am ??<br>
Just curious, why is he calling Bill and not Hillary?</p>

<p>I understand all the reasons that Clinton is staying in the campaign except for the part where she hopes to get her money back. It seems to me that the longer she stays in, the deeper into debt she goes.</p>

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I agree that McCain is weak. He is too much of a nice guy and nice guys finish last. That is why Clinton will be able to beat him. Despite her negatives, she knows how to fight hard and not pull any punches. She will exploit McCain’s weaknesses and he won’t be able to respond.</p>

<p>1sm, according to CNN McGovern isn’t a superdelegate, just an influential elder statesman.</p>

<p>" understand all the reasons that Clinton is staying in the campaign except for the part where she hopes to get her money back. It seems to me that the longer she stays in, the deeper into debt she goes."</p>

<p>She’s hoping for a deal in which she agrees to drop out and support Obama enthusiastically and he agrees to raise money for her debt.</p>

<p>"I agree that McCain is weak. He is too much of a nice guy and nice guys finish last. "</p>

<p>I think his problem is that he has no regard for his own base.</p>

<p>3bm I agree with your post about money and donations to HRC. I can’t think of any rationale to solicit donations to her now other than to pay her back money that she has already spent on a losing campaign.</p>

<p>MSNBC commentators last night (while waiting for the last Indiana county to report) were saying that she may make a deal with Obama (re her leaving the race) which would include them paying off her campaign debts. Although I like Sen Obama, having his campaign pay off her debts is really distasteful to me. I have heard talk about the lavish spending in the early days of her campaign, including parties at the Bellagio in Las Vegas costing thousands of dollars. If the campaign couldn’t budget properly, why should he bail her out? Has anyone else heard this as a possibility? </p>

<p>Additionally, how can she, in good faith, keep spending money knowing that she cannot win. But maybe good faith isn’t her strong suit.</p>

<p>Thanks Hanna. I stand corrected.</p>

<p>Carville was on this a.m. saying that there’s absolutely no reason why she should quit, and “now onto the next primaries to see how it goes!” (paraphrasing, here) Every a.m. after a primary her people say the same thing.</p>

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<p>Why zoosermom, whatever do you mean…?:eek:</p>

<p>In response to post #65, if it really is of interest to you, yes I am most definitely an Obama supporter. Among other things, I just returned from Indiana after traveling 2000 miles to get there to work for a week for the campaign.</p>

<p>And my complete distaste for Clinton has nothing to do with my support of Obama, they are mutually exclusive concepts. Quite briefly I find her to be completely dishonest, she stands for nothing but for herself and her obsession for power. She started her political life as a Goldwater supporter, then a college “young republican” then a sudden switch to McCarthy, point being she will go with and pander to and for any cause or concept that will further her personal aspirations. Her tactics are NOTHING less than Rovian.</p>

<p>In this election alone she has flat out LIED about her experience including this nonsense with Bosnia, her feigned work with the N. Ireland accords, SChip legislation, etc. Her latest with the gas tax “holiday” is just more political pandering and her pronouncement that she doesn’t “care” what the economists say, tells me she is as pigheaded and out of touch as the current administration and as much as mccain, she is nothing less than Bush III. </p>

<p>Her other exultations that she will obliterate Iran, etc. is typical of her “us vs. them” bullying approach which is why her efforts at health care as first lady were a complete and total failure as would be her presidency. Her race baiting is completely inexcusable and this idiocy of claiming Michigan should be counted when Obama was not even on the ballot and she signed pledges that FLA and Michigan would not be counted. She is the poster girl for situational ethics which is a terrifying quality for someone in power.</p>

<p>Again, yes I am an Obama supporter but that has nothing to do with wanting to see no more of the Clinton name.</p>

<p>“Why zoosermom, whatever do you mean…?”</p>

<p>Just sayin’ is all. Just sayin.</p>

<p>To assert that someone who was a youthful conservative and later switched as she grew up is pandering shows your own youthful ignorance.</p>

<p>It’s quite amusing to hear Obama supporters spend all their time pointing out Clinton’s flaws and failures rather than focusing on Obama’s accomplishments. Oh right, what accomplishments?</p>

<p>Well at least they could spend some time expounding Obama’s vision and platform… oh-oh, “change” and “we can” … yes these are very short (and empty) words.</p>

<p>So now I get it.</p>

<p>If Clinton stops attacking Obama, I suspect you may see her in the Cabinet.</p>

<p>Razorsharp, I was with you for a bit there until you said that Hillary would be a “uniter”. </p>

<p>Only true if you mean uniting the Republicans against her.</p>

<p>No question Obama has a very difficult job ahead of him, but at least he has a fighting chance. Hillary has none.</p>

<p>“John McCain would have us in Iraq ad infinitum. We would squander untold billions and thousands of lives. It would be the ruination of us.”</p>

<p>Oh really now. Do you consider South Korea the “ruination of us?”</p>

<p>The analogy isn’t apt. South Korea WELCOMED the U.S. in. Saudi Arabia, and every other Arab country except Kuwait (one of our owners), kicked us out.</p>

<p>The fact that McCain would even use such an analogy shows how inept he is when it comes to foreign policy issues. (Hopefully by now his handlers have helped him figure what Sunnis and Shias are, that Iranians aren’t Arabs, and the difference between Germany and France.)</p>

<p>“She’s hoping for a deal in which she agrees to drop out and support Obama enthusiastically and he agrees to raise money for her debt.”</p>

<p>I must just be totally clueless then. Why on earth would he want to do that? I can’t imagine Obama supporters thinking that their donations going to Clinton’s debt would be a good idea.</p>

<p>Bullwinkle: very well put.</p>

<p>“The analogy isn’t apt. South Korea WELCOMED the U.S. in. Saudi Arabia, and every other Arab country except Kuwait (one of our owners), kicked us out.”
In terms of the long view, it is apt.</p>