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<p>Well that would ruin the whole Mac OS X thing, wouldn’t it? :)</p>

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<p>I’m still a little puzzled as to why they did that, but that’s the only time they’ve ever charged for a patch. Additionally, it’s not for airport extreme (I run airport extreme without the patch), it’s for upgrading the firmware to support 802.11n high-speed wireless - a capability no one who bought a mac expected their computer to have anyway.</p>

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<p>Well I never owned or seriously used a mac before this last fall - I had a desktop PC running windows XP. And yes, windows still BSODs - though it is much less frequent. To be fair, Mac OS X sometimes kernel panics as well - though this is very rare as well.</p>

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<p>What “worse performance?” You get almost the exact same performance out of apple hardware as you do PC’s which use the exact same chips. </p>

<p>Professional graphics designers and computer artists have used photoshop on Mac for years (decades, even) and Photoshop has always been one of the flagship programs of the Mac computer. Clearly mac hardware is superior, or at least just as good as PC’s, at running photoshop.</p>

<p>As for games the only disadvantage for gaming is that fewer people own macs so there are fewer games made for mac. This is essentially nil now for the serious gamer as solutions like boot camp let nearly any game run under windows on mac.</p>

<p>I professionally use machines from Macs with OSX to Windows XP-32, Windows XP-64, Windows 2003 Server, Unix (various flavors) Linux (various kernels and flavors), Sun Solaris and Java, and the odd Novell box.</p>

<p>I like them all, but Macs just win out for personal use. I have yet to have one of my Macs have a kernel panic (Aieee! lol :)) …must be a hardware issue.</p>

<p>Photography majors at my D.'s school are required to have Macs–according to profs there the Macs are way above anything else in the world of digital photography.</p>

<p>1.) what is BSOD??</p>

<p>2.) Just to reply to the “sweatshop workers making iPods” (mainly b/c poster said nobody would reply :wink: ), who do you think makes PC accessories, systems, etc.?</p>

<p>the latest system OS X 10.4.8 is the most stable I have ever used
true my latest laptop has 1GB of ram, wheras my first laptop had 14MB!!!
roflao;)
My D, who recently worked in tech support, had a story about helping someone upgrade from 7.6!
amazing.
Leopard, when it is released will be os X still or 10.5 & a much bigger jump than 10.4.8 ( they are anticipating a free upgrade to 10.4.9 however- I dont ever buy the new system software by itself- ihaven’t needed to, I get a new computer about every 3 or 4 years, and the incremental upgrades have always been enough to do what I want to do)</p>

<p>Right now, it’s hard to tell whether the average mac user should upgrade to “Leopard” (10.5) when it comes out, or should wait a while, or should just get it on the next computer they buy - they haven’t really said yet what the main new features are going to be.</p>

<p>On the other hand, 10.5 is going to be a programmer’s paradise. Dashcode, Xcode 2.5, python and ruby on rails as first class languages…Cocoa integration into Carbon apps…Leopard 10.5 is going to be a huge improvement from the developer’s perspective over 10.4, at least as significant as upgrading from XP to Vista, maybe even more so.</p>

<p>Regardless, I think Mac OS X 10.4 is here to stay for a while - you can’t go wrong with sticking with it. :)</p>

<p>BSOD = [Blue</a> Screen of Death](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death]Blue”>Blue screen of death - Wikipedia)</p>

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Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people started writing it
Not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue writing it forever
Just because,
This is the thread that never ends,
Yes, it goes on and on my friends.
Some people started writing it
Not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue writing it forever
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<p>i think i have the solution to this issue. if you like macs, buy a mac. if you like pcs, buy a pc. personally i’m a pc fan because i think macbooks are irritatingly white just like the rest of the united states. ha ha. but on a serious note pc makers should send little window stickers that say “PC” like the apple stickers that come with macs.</p>

<p>I never heard the chimes of doom- but my D did on her high school laptop
She made quite the hit!
:frowning:
I haven’t had the BSOD but I have had the spinning BeachBall from hell</p>

<p>More than balanced by the HappyMac and Clarus the dogcow
[MOOF!](<a href=“Technotes | Apple Developer Documentation”>Technotes | Apple Developer Documentation)</p>

<p>MacBooks also come in [url=<a href=“http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=A4791B5D&nclm=MacBook]black[/url”>http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=A4791B5D&nclm=MacBook]black[/url</a>].</p>

<p>Yes, the spinning beach ball from hell can be annoying…but I’ve only gotten it when I’ve had a slow internet connection or tried to load a scratched CD onto iTunes that couldn’t be read. Otherwise I hardly ever see my beach ball friend.</p>

<p>The quick fix for the spinning ball is:</p>

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<li><p>Place the cursor on the desktop (not in an open window) and click.</p></li>
<li><p>Click on the Blue Apple in the upper left hand corner and select “Force Quit”.</p></li>
<li><p>Highlight the stuck application within Force Quit and stop it.</p></li>
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<p>Of course, a hanging application will happen to any system occasionally. On Macs it is rare, in my experience.</p>

<p>I know about the Force Quit…it’s just so depressing when they ball pops up. Force Quit is great…as are all the shortcuts from the keyboard :)</p>

<p>I much prefer macs. And DH won’t go near a peecee. But I am forced to use a PC for business as the real estate industry keeps coming up with even Internet-based applications which don’t work on macs.</p>

<p>It’s been a while since I tried running a Windows emulator on a mac - very unsatisfactory back when I tried “Virtual PC” or whatever it was called.</p>

<p>So - all of you tech gurus and mac lovers… are we there yet? Can I give up my PC and go to a mac and still access any and every piece of software/Internet-based program I want/need seamlessly?</p>

<p>P.S. I hope you’ll answer in English :). Even though I’ve been using computers since before many of you were born :smiley: (punched cards, anyone? Fortran?), I’m just a user, not a techno-geek.</p>

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<p>you can now run the Windows operating system on a mac, so you can run anything that runs in Windows because, well, you can run Windows!</p>

<p>I’m sure someone else can tell you more how it works, I don’t have one of those computers, and if I did, I would still want nothing to do with Windows.</p>

<p>I have a macbook with the windows environment that I can run if I need it. I haven’t needed it yet. According to my son, it works well. You have two for the price of one if need be.</p>

<p>Yeah, there are two main ways to run windows on mac:</p>

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<li><p>Boot camp - you can install windows as a separate operating system, meaning you have to shut down mac os x and boot into windows and vice versa.
Pros: It’s a real windows system and can do anything a regular PC running windows can, at full speed. You have to buy a copy of windows, but the Boot Camp software is free.
Cons: Have to reboot to switch between mac and windows.</p></li>
<li><p>Parallels - run windows as an application inside mac os x. Slight performance penalty, but not much. Significantly better than the old Virtual PC was.
Pros: no need to reboot, can run almost any windows program
Cons: needs a lot of memory, and can’t run 3d games (yet). You need to buy both a copy of windows <em>and</em> a copy of parallels, since it doesn’t come free with the mac</p></li>
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<p>I’ve tried both, and basically, Parallels is the tool of choice - it runs well and is well-supported. Boot Camp is primarily for those who don’t want to spend any more money or need to run 3d games for windows.</p>

<p>We are a Dell family, but I am really thinking about a mac laptop for myself. My biggest concern is I can usually figure out what the problem is with a pc or can be talked through anything. I have never used a Mac and I am afraid of a new machine. My kids said it won’t take me long to adjust to the Mac, but can this old dog really learn new tricks?</p>

<p>I love the idea of running Parallels so I will not have to reboot. How different is the performance over Boot Camp; does Boot Camp run significantly better? Also, should I wait for the new version of OS X, Leopard? I understand that it should be available this spring.</p>

<p>I just really like the size and feel of the smaller Mac laptop better than the smaller Dell, and I do want a smaller laptop. I have a desktop that is getting up in years, so the laptop will most likely be my main computer to use.</p>

<p>I like Mac OSX better better than win XP, but I got a windows laptop for $300less than a macbook pro would have cost, and my laptop is more powerful than the macbook in every single department. PCs are more affordable and have better app support. But if you are a novice at dealing with malware, paying extra for a mac is worth avoiding the headaches.</p>