<p>It never fails on CC someone will always ask “why did you have to drive your kid,” “why did you have to make that call for him,” “why couldn’t he make every decision for himself”…What does it matter? Maybe they didn’t have a spare care for the kid to drive, and the father had to drop off and pick up the kid. No more, and no less.</p>
<p>I am asking the OP.</p>
<p>How is that part of this discussion?</p>
<p>I’ll let him decide.
I don’t see your post as being relevant.</p>
<p>We have our version of “business casual” at my work, and then we have corporates “Business Casual” at my work… Haha! I don’t know if that makes sense… but generally speaking, for business casual jeans are fine w/ a decent shirt (not a t-shirt)… except we do have “casual days” on Friday’s where t-shirts are fine. But if we are having important visitors or big meetings then we step it up and officially do corporates version of Business Casual - dress pants, dress shirts, nice shoes, etc. Very rarely do I see anyone in a suit. Even our president usually has on khaki’s and a polo shirt on normal days. I usually wear dress pants with a decently nice shirt on most days… except i do have my occasional jeans days. I actually think my dress pants are more comfortable then jeans, any day of the week. Now if only I could convince them to have pajama day, I’d be in heaven!!</p>
<p>I know this is off topic, but…</p>
<p>I don’t know about you guys, but I have the hardest time finding jeans that fit me right. And believe me, I’m a relatively small woman… not an odd size at all… I’m about 5 ft 5 120 lbs… which should be like an ideal size when it comes to shopping because they pretty much make everything… but man!! I probably have a million pairs of jeans but out of all of them I have maybe two pairs that i can honestly say I like the way they fit. Most are either too long, too short, too tight in the waist, too loose fitting, etc. Now dress pants, i probably have at least 5-10 pairs that I absolutely adore. Maybe I should try to find more jeans in the brands of those 2 that I actually like.</p>
<p>I work at different companies around the world and my assistant knows to ask about the dress code. The range in business casual runs from khakhis and a polo shirt to a suit with no tie (very common in the UK and Sweden these days). So, she asks (pants and shirt, pants and shirt and blazer, suit with no tie, dress shirt v. polo shirt). Without asking, I would go with pants, dress shirt (in US buttondown, in Europe not buttondown) and a sportcoat or blazer. If no one else has a sportcoat, take it off and hold it or put it on the back of your chair (I do that anyway).</p>
<p>My son doesn’t have his license. Yes, there were other parents that drove their kids. No he hasn’t graduated from college. It appeared to me that the mother of one of the students worked at the company.</p>
<p>One of the other parent drivers parked at the far end of the parking lot, apparently not wanting it to be known that they provided transportation for their son.</p>
<p>One of the guys that I used to work with learned to drive when he was 24 while he was working on his Phd. He spent most of his time on campus and basically used public transportation and the bus and train network to get around to other places. Yes, public transportation in the US is generally pretty poor. There are many places in the world where you can get around without knowing how to drive.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying. My cousin who spent his whole life in Manhattan, had to learn how to drive in his late 30’s after a job relocation outside of NYC. He couldn’t rent a car either when he traveled, fortunately his wife always had her license.</p>
<p>My younger daughter doesn’t need to drive because she has a driver (aka a bodyguard). Before she goes to college in the US, she could get a driver’s license where we live now for $20 (no road test necessary), and then she would be legal to drive when she is in college. I will let everyone know on CC which school she’ll be going to, so everyone could stay off the road (or not go to that school).</p>
<p>What is with ‘no tie’???</p>
<p>Has Business Casual changed? 10 years ago I worked for a Fortune 500 apparel company and business casual back then for men was a button down shirt (not a dress shirt), tie, khakis, socks and loafers or docksiders.
The men always wore a tie with khakis. Sometimes a blazer.
Polo’s were for 1/2 day fridays when you were golfing in the afternoon.</p>
<p>Personally, I think a button down shirt without a tie looks sloppy; unless it’s after 5 pm on a Friday and you are out for drinks and dinner.
I can’t even imagine wearing a suit without a tie. Big no-no.</p>
<p>Whatever you do - don’t do what my engineer nephew did first day on his new post college job:
he wore a white button down shirt with a t-shirt underneath that had a beer logo. :eek:
Now, if he had chosen a tie it would not have been so noticable!</p>
<p>The whole point of business casual, in my opinion, is to get rid of the tie (or “choke-rag,” as we like to call it in our house).</p>
<p>i think it is better to err on the side of being too “dressed up” as one can always remove a sport coat. </p>
<p>layers would work well…nice dress slacks, button down shirt, sweater or vest, sport coat–then remove whatever you need to remove to “fit in”</p>
<p>Hunt - point noted. To be fair, the company I worked for had a very popular and extensive necktie line. 
That said, nothing says business on a male quite like a tie. As a woman, I personally think a tie on a man can make or break his look. I get that they can be uncomfortable - but they look good and promote a neat business-like appearance.
For a young man going on a ‘business-casual’ interview – I think showing up in a tie with a button down and khakis is a very nice look.
As wbow says - it’s better to err on the side of being too dressed up.</p>
<p>My husband worked in a financial firm that had a business casual dress code. He regularly wore khakis or dress slacks, button down shirt (no tie) and either loafers or lace up shoes. Others often wore polos and he did on occasion, but perhaps because he was a managing director, he usually went with the button down shirt. </p>
<p>When my D was in middle school, she went in for “Take your child to work day” and my husband was quite clear that she needed to dress appropriately. Even discussed removing her fleece jacket during the day, because it is the custom here that the kids wear them practically 24/7. Well the firm had some structured presentations for the kids as well as observing with the parents. I had to run down to the office to pick my D up because Dad needed to stay late for a conference call. Husband’s executive assistant gathered my D for me and as we were heading to elevator, said executive assistant (wearing denim) complimented my D on her outfit. My usually tactful daughter said “Thank you, my Dad doesn’t jeans are appropriate for the office”<br>
Well, the executive assistant’s jaw dropped about 2 inches and thankfully the elevator arrived so I thanked profusely for her help and we escaped! We laugh about it now!</p>
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<p>The comfort of a tie is a function of the fit of the shirt.</p>
<p>I bought my son a suit a week ago. He had never worn one before. He commented that the suit was far more comfortable than he thought it would be. Even more comfortable than his khakis.</p>
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I don’t find any tie to be comfortable, unless it is so loose that it no longer looks right. But I don’t like turtlenecks, either, so maybe I just don’t like anything around my neck.</p>
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Exactly the same with me. I was very happy when ties were no longer required. I do know some people however (not many), that seem to actually enjoy wearing ties.</p>
<p>To be safe, have him wear a button down shirt and blazer. Roll up a ties and stick it in the blazer pocket, just in case.</p>