Manhunt for pizza crust DNA-identified murder suspect

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Figueroa’s husband, Bernardo Alfaro, raised the prospect that the victims’ torment started a day earlier, telling CNN affiliate WJLA-TV that his wife didn’t come home the night of May 13.

Alfaro knocked on the mansion’s door the next morning, noting that Savvas Savopoulos’ blue Porsche was parked on the street. He knew something was wrong, according to WJLA. He suddenly got a phone call from Savopoulos telling him that Figueroa was at a hospital with Amy Savopoulos, who wasn’t feeling well.

"I started thinking, ‘Why? She doesn’t drive. She doesn’t speak very good English,’ " Alfaro said.

A second housekeeper, Nelitza Gutierrez, also received a text message from Amy Savopoulos hours before the fire began, telling her to stay home. It came a day after Gutierrez got a voice mail message from Savvas Savopoulos telling her not to come the following day because his wife was sick.

“Sometimes you never understand why something happens, but I’m lucky I’m still here,” Gutierrez told CNN’s Joe Johns.


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wow…the H of the killed housekeeper went to the home. He should have really suspected something was wrong when Savvas didn’t come to the door, but just texted him. (I realize that S probably didn’t do the actual texting)

People really do need to act on their hunches.

How did the assistant get the money to the house? did he leave it at the door? did he hand it to someone?

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But once four neat stacks of $100 bills were left on the seat of a red sports car in the family's garage, Daron Dylon Wint brutally struck and stabbed Savvas Savopoulos, the CEO of the American Iron Works company where he had once worked as a welder, Wint's charging document said. <<<

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Ok…so the assistant was told to leave $40k on a seat of a sports car and that didn’t raise unbelievable suspicion???

This is all so sad and confusing. Numerous people saying they just thought something just didn’t seem right.

I wonder if the assistant is a conspirator or just a complete blithering idiot.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/others-helped-daron-wint-murder-savopoulos-family-cops-n363451

Did he use the word “lie”? Or is that an assumption?

I can imagine that if he’s innocent, but just extremely shook up, he would misremember the exact sequence. I know that when my H is “shook up” over something big, his memory goes totally haywire. He would’t be “lying” but his memory would be so skewed that he would retell a story wrong unintentionally.


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The assistant, who was not identified, first told cops that Savvas Savopolous had sent him a text asking for the delivery the same day. But after being questioned about a text message from Savopolous the night before, the assistant said he'd made a mistake, and that the request had been made that night.

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My H would totally make that same mistake. That’s not lying. It’s fog from the high emotions that would be going on. Even the retelling of the sequence of getting the money, putting in an envelope, etc, would totally get told wrong.

That said, the assistant could be in on it…that may be why the family was targeted at that time…because money was available.

Unless the assistant said that he “lied”, I think the use of the word “lie” is very unfair. If this person is not involved (and I don’t know either way), then certainly he is extremely upset over this horrific loss. He had to be very close to the family. and, imagine the guilt he must feel for not acting on the red flags that must have been present.

However, if he is shown to have a close link to the suspected killer, then he doesn’t seem to be lying about things that really matter in the long run.

I wonder how the killer(s) got access to the home? I believe the home had security cameras, is that correct?

I wonder if they somehow got access into one of their cars when one of the parents were elsewhere?

Since this happened in DC, is it a federal crime?

I read in one of the news stories that the neighborhood is in northern VA. But the perp did flee to NY with the money and was captured in MD w 10k of the cash. It’s believed he took a cab ride from NY back to DC (no wonder he’s only got 10k).

Wasn’t the torched Porsche found in MD?

Addressing posts 44 and 45, I don’t recall CNN today using the word “lie” regarding the assistant – merely that he gave “several conflicting accounts” of events. Attorney Paul Callan and some others being interviewed were incredulous that “someone would forget details of an event so unusual and dramatic” (words to that effect). Callan said, “I certainly would not have forgotten.” Well, the attorney doesn’t know whether the sharp memory and capacity for detail he has as an attorney would serve him as well during enormous trauma, when even time becomes distorted. That would particularly be true, or could be, if the assistant was being coerced to participate. That explanation is as plausible, to me, as is the theory of the assistant’s participating in the conspiracy.

Regarding security:
One theory being floated is that Mr. Charming Wint brought along a device like a cell phone scrambler to disable the wi-fi’ed security system. A different theory is that someone was walking the dog and left through the back yard – not vigilant enough to attend to security in the back of the house, which could have been the entry point instead of the front. The cameras, which were situated in many places, were obviously disabled somehow. That type of system, we’re told, does not necessarily alert the alarm company when the alarm stops functioning altogether (is silent).

More on the money:
There is no proof, apparently, that a full 40K ever arrived, despite assumptions that it did. So far only $10K has been found. However, since money orders were found with those arrested, it’s possible that 30K had already been traded in for money orders?

I’ll tell you who I think is the most clueless character in the whole event: Robert Ficker. Even the other attorneys on the news channels today were confronting him about his statements.

But my question is regarding his parents – who, WAPO says, “did everything right” [as parents]. They have Anglo names (Dennis and Pamela), and Wint came here “from Guyana.” It hasn’t been clear in any stories about Wint’s origins as to whether his parents are also from Guyana, or whether they are from the U.S. but adopted him, etc.

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Attorney Paul Callan and some others being interviewed were incredulous that “someone would forget details of an event so unusual and dramatic” (words to that effect). Callan said, “I certainly would not have forgotten.” Well, the attorney doesn’t know whether the sharp memory and capacity for detail he has as an attorney would serve him as well during enormous trauma, when even time becomes distorted. T


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this attorney must know few people. after a trauma, the fog can be so great, that days blend together, time details become hazy, and even the order you did things can become confused.

When my H’s best friend drowned in a flash flood leaving behind a young widow and two very young kids, the news truly discombobulated me. I had to fill up my car’s gas tank. I forgot to take the hose out after I was done and ripped the hose right out of the pump. Those days, even weeks, after the drowning were such a blur.

and if this person is innocent, and likely traumatized by what happened to his employer/family who he likely knew quite well, he may be under the influence of a tranquilizer or similar. And, who knows how well this assistant had been sleeping once he learned about the murders. (again, assuming that he’s innocent. If he’s not, then all bets are off).

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The crime happened in DC, in the NW neighborhood close to the National Cathedral and the Naval Observatory (where the Vice President lives). It’s not a federal crime as I don’t believe there’s any federal laws broken. Federal crime only if it occurs on federal property.

I don’t understand why merely being in DC would make something a federal crime. Is robbing a convenience store in DC a different crime from in any other state? I’m confused here.

Pizzagirl, get over there and help out the crime scene investigators! :smiley:

(I guess I need a levity given the unspeakable depravity of these acts.)

If it involved kidnapping of someone and taking them across state lines, then the FBI would be involved and then it will be a federal crime.

A federal crime is a violation of a federal law, as the posters above said. DC has its own comprehensive set of laws and its own court system:

http://dc.gov/page/laws-regulations-and-courts

Higher up the thread someone wondered about the DNA analysis being so speedy. The analysis itself is not the bottleneck; most of the time, delays are due to the backlog of the samples that need to be processed. So if a sample is bumped up to the top if the queue, the investigators could get their results in less than a day.

I didn’t know it could be done so quickly.

Sounds like this country needs a lot more labs that can do this. Have you all heard about the thousands of DNA samples from rape kits that have never been processed?

As for being a federal crime…I was just ASKING if it was. I didn’t know how murders were handled when they occurred in DC. I wasn’t wondering about lesser crimes such as robbing a convenience store.

Yes, as @NoVaDad mentions, in such a case, that would be a federal crime. I think it also a fed crime in a murder takes place in one state, but the body is disposed of another. I vaguely remember a case like that.

There most likely are federal crimes involved, and the individuals can be charged in both state and federal court.

Of course, we don’t know the details yet, but examples of federal crimes include fleeing across state lines to avoid arrest, bank fraud (if the funds were withdrawn from a financial institution), etc. The prosecutors will have many charges to consider (murder, arson, false imprisonment, child abuse, extortion, bank fraud,…), some of which are state crimes, and some which are both state and federal, and I suspect the charges will be brought in both state and federal court.

I live in the DC area and this is the main story. I can’t get over the thought that they were probably torturing that poor 10 year old to get the parents in line. Wouldn’t you do or say anything to anyone in their shoes? If only anyone would have raised a red flag that something seemed weird, but then again if you called to say hey, this house had me leave pizza at the door…cops wouldn’t exactly come racing over.