<p>As I said, you gun nuts are welcome to your own island.</p>
<p>I don’t need your brand of vigilante justice, thanks.</p>
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<p>Hey, don’t draw parallels between mass murder and self-defense, which is a far cry from “vigilante justice”. I know you’re trying to demonize gun owners by equating them with criminals, but come on… </p>
<p>Why don’t you give me logically laid out arguments for why people shouldn’t be allowed to defend themselves with guns.</p>
<p>If you want to buy into the whole bit about “give the criminal what he wants and he’ll just go away”, then go ahead. (I’ve always wondered what the people who agree with this philosophy would say if what the criminal wants is to rape/kill you) But don’t try to deprive me of my right to defend myself with the best tools currently available.</p>
<p>oh and please, continue to blame crime (i.e. human action) on an inanimate object. Its not the poor criminal’s fault - the gun made him do it :rolleyes:</p>
<p>cartera - music, what are you going to say in 5 years when the crime rate in DC has dropped because the criminals aren’t the only ones armed? When that happens will you admit you are wrong?</p>
<p>We have become so numb to violence. This morning I read about another crazy who went off on his place of employment, killing five people before killing himself.</p>
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<p>This wasn’t even front page news; we are just used to nuts carrying around guns and going into schools, workplaces and even houses of worship, and letting loose with bullets. And the problem is, all your gun laws protect the crazies’ right to have and use lethal weapons. So, I sincerely doubt the crime rate will drop, since the level of violence in our country has only increased with more and more of these kind of above mentioned crimes.</p>
<p>So in other words, even if crime dropped by 50%, you would never admit it? Was the gun used legally obtained?</p>
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<p>Actually, almost all gun owners support restrictions for people with severe mental problems or violent felons. But again, this is a human problem - you can’t blame it on the inanimate object. People are going to kill other people no matter what you do. You need to get over the fact that you can’t stop it, and try to prepare yourself as much as possible to put a quick end to it when it does happen.</p>
<p>[Japan</a> knife killings: Alleged killer Tomohiro Katos plans published on internet - Telegraph](<a href=“Japan knife killings: Alleged killer Tomohiro Kato's plans published on internet”>Japan knife killings: Alleged killer Tomohiro Kato's plans published on internet)</p>
<p>This man in Japan went on a killing spree with a knife. I suppose we should ban those too. Or maybe people should lock up all their kitchen knives when they aren’t using them. Even better, you should have to register your kitchen knives with the government. That would definitely prevent this type of mindless violence… its for the kids.</p>
<p>The point is that we have the highest homicide rate of any civilized Western nation, and higher than many third world countries.</p>
<p>Do you believe there is no connection between the high homicide rate and the number of guns in this country?</p>
<p>No. I don’t. (to the response below)</p>
<p>[Britain</a>, Australia top U.S. in violent crime](<a href=“http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902]Britain”>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902)</p>
<p>What’s that old bumper sticker - </p>
<p>“If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”.</p>
<p>As much as I dislike handguns (had one pulled on me before), I know that criminals are going to be less likely to break into a house if there is a chance that the owner will have a gun - or less likely to attempt a robbery if the victim might have a gun.</p>
<p>And if criminals are out there shooting eachother, what does that have to do with me? Yes, some innocent people might get hurt sometimes, but how many crimes are committed w/ legally registered guns anyway?</p>
<p>As I understand it, the SCOTUS ruling on the D.C. case still provides for some restrictions on guns, such as not being able to carry them in certain places, etc. correct?</p>
<p>yes, bz, Scalia made sure no one could bring one into where he works.</p>
<p>So when there is no good answer for the question we resort to childish behavior.</p>
<p>-Allmusic- I think the high homicide rate is can be attributed to the prevalence of gangs in the inner cities and the number of people who are not gainfully employed outside of drug-dealing, etc.</p>
<p>It’s the criminals who commit the crimes, not the guns.</p>
<p>Doesn’t matter how many guns are out there if you don’t have the criminals who are willing to use them inappropriately.</p>
<p>Worldnetdaily? Hardly an unbiased source, or one without a serious political agenda. That article reads like Gunowners’ mag, or the NRA. And it conflicts with all other reports that I have seen, which reflect significantly higher crime and homicide rates in the US than in any other sane, Western country in the world.</p>
<p>Just one, from Australia:</p>
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<p>More tables:</p>
<p>[Gun</a> Facts](<a href=“http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm]Gun”>http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm)</p>
<p>Overall crime rates, not just the ones related to guns. You are hyper-focused on gun related crime. Legally owned handguns can cut the crime rate overall. Britain has a higher crime rate than the US.</p>
<p>[NationMaster</a> - Total crimes (per capita) (most recent) by country](<a href=“http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita]NationMaster”>http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita)</p>
<p>[World</a> News Briefs; British Crime Rates Found Higher Than U.S. Totals - New York Times](<a href=“http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE2DD163AF931A25753C1A96E958260]World”>http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE2DD163AF931A25753C1A96E958260)</p>
<p>[Despite</a> Rise in Gun Crime in Britain, ABC News Trumpets UK’s Handgun Ban | NewsBusters.org](<a href=“http://newsbusters.org/node/12230]Despite”>Bias Against Fox News Has A Negative Impact On The Troops)</p>
<p>Also note, the standards for statistically reporting crimes are different in the UK (which would increase if a US style was used).</p>
<p>I love how some of us like to lump all gun owners in with “gun crazies,” “gun nuts,” and mass murderers. Eighty million gun owners…that’s a lot of people for you to be afraid of!</p>
<p>Let’s look at some facts:
- No one is giving guns away due to the Heller ruling (if there is someone doing this, please PM me)</p>
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<li><p>Handgun proliferation and murders using handguns are not strongly correlated trends (i.e. no proof for causation)
Source: [url=<a href=“http://guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsupp.html]Guncite:”>Guncite: Gun Supply]Guncite:</a> Gun Supply<a href=“please%20note%20the%20site’s%20sources”>/url</a></p></li>
<li><p>The ruling confirmed the “individual right” interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (one which most states already assumed).</p></li>
<li><p>The ruling found that bans on all handguns is illegal. This does nothing to change carry rights, nor proliferation. It simply forbids stupid blanket bans like DCs (and Chicago’s).</p></li>
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<p>Chicago and DC are definitely NOT poster-children for gun control, considering they have some of the highest murder and violent crime rates in the nation. Their anti-gun legislation failed miserably, while easing gun restrictions may have helped lower rates in other area (I say “may have” because I have not reviewed the evidence in entirety).</p>
<p>If a lifting on the DC or gun ban would result in one more violent death of a child then would be with it, I vigorously oppose it.</p>
<p>raimius, in your reading of the opinion, do you see that carry regulations will survive?</p>
<p>I just realized that I meant to refer to concealed carry laws. I don’t know that laws regulating licensed concealed weapons will survive.</p>
<p>It’s not because there are more guns but because there are less fathers. When it comes to the real source of the problem, the left refuses to address the lack of morality that exists in these communities. We throw lots of money to address the problem. I’ll take a mom and a dad versus a village everytime!</p>