<p>“Ugh, I can’t wait for someone to bring up McCain’s son. His son probably has one of the cushiest jobs in the military, toasting wine with the generals.” - saransay</p>
<p>Um, McCain is fair game. He’s running for president. His son, however, who is the same age as my boys, enlisted in the Marine Corps and has served in Iraq, and as far as I can tell from what I have read has actively rejected any attempts at special treatment, and his father has NOT capitalized on his son’s service. Even the New York Times isn’t running his picture, because he may be sent on another tour. </p>
<p>IMO, lay off a young man who is serving his country.</p>
<p>aruff, it’s considered more polite and workable to respond to remarks in context (i.e. within the same thread, so folks can figure out what you’re talking about), otherwise your comments may be overlooked. ;)</p>
<p>*A. Although I am anti-gun control, your historical analysis is very flawed. Do you really think you can stop tyranny with violence on a massive scale? Look what happened in France after several violent revolutions. They are the closest to fascism in Europe.</p>
<p>B. I don’t yet knoe if that quote is in contesxt (some say Wright was talking about Syphillis), so no comment here except that patriotism is mutually exclusive with logic.</p>
<p>C. So what if they take jobs? Are you entitled to a job simply because you are born in America? No.*</p>
<p>Talking about takings words out of context. I can’t believe that journalist had the gall to report what she did (or shall I say editorialize) when the entire context of the speech is up for viewing.</p>
<p>regardless of whether or not it is out of context, obama has demonstrated, that if he had control, no american would own a gun. Look up his voting record, specifically his advocacy for back door lawsuits against gun companies (and hillary’s)</p>
<p>both of them are socialist, not anywhere near capitalist. That must be a joke. Anti-tax cut, pro-socialized health care, and pro-tax the crap out of americans. That is socialism</p>
<p>“Although I am anti-gun control, your historical analysis is very flawed. Do you really think you can stop tyranny with violence on a massive scale? Look what happened in France after several violent revolutions. They are the closest to fascism in Europe.”</p>
<p>Sorry bro, but i no my history. American gun owners are a much more massive force than any army on the world. Lets say 20 percent of Americans own guns, thats roughly a 60 million man army. Good luck controlling a country with a 60 million man strong guerrilla force (we can hardly do that in Iraq with a fraction of the force).</p>
<p>“C. So what if they take jobs? Are you entitled to a job simply because you are born in America? No.”</p>
<p>Are they entitled to use my taxes to pay for their hospital bills? no. Many people get here legally, and earn jobs. I don’t see why mexicans think they don’t have too.</p>
<p>“American gun owners are a much more massive force than any army on the world. Lets say 20 percent of Americans own guns, thats roughly a 60 million man army. Good luck controlling a country with a 60 million man strong guerrilla force (we can hardly do that in Iraq with a fraction of the force).”</p>
<p>I don’t think you understand what I was saying. Of course, a populist revolution will succeed in its short-term goals but in the long-term nothing will be achieved as the underpinnings of what caused the problems still remain (e.g. coercion). See: France.</p>
<p>“Are they entitled to use my taxes to pay for their hospital bills? no. Many people get here legally, and earn jobs. I don’t see why mexicans think they don’t have too.”</p>
<p>So are you arguing against the welfare system and regulations or are you arguing against immigration? Using your logic, poor US citizens should have to demonstrate that breeding will not result in a net tax cost before they can have babies. People who come here and use socialized services are not the ones perpetrating evil, but rather the ones who set up the system (e.g. politicians).</p>
<p>BTW, I don’t know what you think illegal immigrants do, but the vast majority of them get jobs and don’t collect much welfare. Yes, I know there is subsidized housing and roads, but you are making it seem like they come here and live off welfare checks which is clearly not true.</p>
<p>“both of them are socialist, not anywhere near capitalist. That must be a joke. Anti-tax cut, pro-socialized health care, and pro-tax the crap out of americans. That is socialism”</p>
<p>McCain fits that bill as well. He is not going to get rid of medicare. He is not getting rid of the inflation tax (e.g. printing of US dollars which devalue savings). Furthermore, capitalism is based on the idea of voluntary exchange. Funding a massive world-dominating army by force is not capitalism.</p>
<p>Oh, I didn’t realize it was now OK to take things out of context and create your own reality. By not agreeing or disagreeing with my remark regarding context, I assume you can justify doing so because you don’t agree with his stance on gun control.</p>
<p>If you are against someone’s policies, then don’t vote for them; but don’t take comments they made out of context in order to smear them.</p>
<p>teriwit: give me a friggin’ break…the link is bait and switch. Not the original comment. Kool-aid time.</p>
<p>Obama made the original comments while speaking to a group of wealthy California donors in San Francisco over the weekend. The Huffington Post quotes him specifically singling out towns in Pennsylvania, where hes trying to woo voters and overcome Clintons lead in the polls before the states April 22 primary.</p>
<p>Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when theres not evidence of that in their daily lives, he said. You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothings replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.</p>
<p>And its not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arent like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.</p>
<p>The comments, which can also be heard in an audio recording later posted on the Huffington Web </p>
<p>yea, I also listened to the original speech he gave. He was answering a question posed to him; listen to it all in context. Nothing wrong with it. In fact, he was speaking not only about Pennsylvanians, but related it to people across the Midwest, of which I am part of. Bitter = angry, and yes, people are cynical and resentful, feeling as if they haven’t been heard by our government for a long time. Maybe those of you in Texas are doing better than us; after all, we know it’s Dubya’s place of refuge, and he has a soft place in his heart for the Lone Star State.</p>
<p>I’m a news show/talking heads junky, as far back as I can remember McCain has always been trotted out to discuss things like foreign policy. It will be a hard sell to paint him as inexperienced.(All those years of soundbites having him discuss tense situations all over the world…and not the partyline jingo mind you, but actual youknow, thoughts)</p>
<p>Yes, McCain has some neocons around him, he also has members of the opposing team…a ‘team’ he actually fits in with more comfortably. What’s going on appears to be a power struggle within the party…not within McCain. As he himself has said, he’s old as dirt, with that comes some small benefit…you tend to think for yourself and have long left the ability to be swayed into falling into the wrong crowd behind. He has years and years of proving he thinks for himself and that thinking tends to be fairly moderate.(Hence his enemies within his own party) </p>
<p>So why the shock at his positioning himself to get elected? It’s something every politician does and it’s silly to hold it against him alone.(Clears throat and points to Clinton/Obama’s election time stand on Nafta) </p>
<p>I DO think the struggle within the party is very real. Hagel and Powell withholding their support is worrisome and strangely reassuring at the same time. I just don’t believe McCain is going neocon anytime soon.</p>
<p>Has he messed up the shiite/sunni names? Yes, I believe it’s been 3 times…not 7. I also know, talking head junky that I am, that Chris Matthews messed it up while reporting on McCain’s mess up…the same day that Obama messed up and caught himself on the very same thing. Does it mean these bright men don’t have a clue? Of course not.</p>
<p>I must be the only person thrilled with the choices we have for president. While I disagree almost violently:) at times with each candidate, I also feel that for the first time in a very, very long time the country will be in the hands of a thoughtful, caring person whomever wins. That makes me happy.</p>
<p>What an ambiguous statement! I’m a “pragmatist”; am I concerned? No! Therefore, this statement could be considered blatantly false. That’s one of the most slanted bits of journalism I’ve ever seen.</p>
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<p>You’re gonna call McCain a pinhead & say he needs to brush up on history?? Give me a break! Pardon me, but your ignorance is showing. McCain’s been in government for over 20 years, so it’s obvious he would have a pretty good handle on modern foreign policy. Before that he was a Navy Liason in Washington. How about the fact that his grandfather was on the Missouri when Japan surrendered in WWII, or that his dad was Commanding the Pacific Fleet during the Vietnam Conflict? Foreign Policy is in McCain’s DNA.</p>
<p>Further, McCain’s experiences as a POW and the fact that he has two sons on active duty would give him special insight into the horrors of war & judgement about the use of troops.</p>
<p>I don’t think you can bust McCain on a lack of experience. To attempt to do so is sort of a joke actually. Sorry.</p>
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<p>Geez I guess Chelsea should be able to tag-team with Jenna Bush to be President in 2012. It’s in their DNA after all. Believe me there’s no foreign policy gene. I don’t really think someone who thought Al-Qaeda was a Shia organization more than once knows much about anything. He sounds like a pinhead to me. Btw, someone here said Obama made that same mistake and so did Chris Matthews. Can you show some proof about Obama saying that , as for Chris Matthews saying i t, I don’t recall Chris Matthews running for president.
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<p>By the DNA comment, I just meant that McCain has been immersed in world events his entire life. Way to make an argument against a figure of speech tho’! Bravo!</p>
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<p>Clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about.</p>
<p>I really shouldn’t dignify this absurd thread w/ a response, but oh well…</p>
<p>Saransay, during the recent Petraeus/Crocker show, Sen. Obama asked if the Iraqi gov’t was supporting the terrorists in Iraq. He meant Iranian gov’t. A single slip of the tongue such as anyone might make. He did not confuse Sunni and Shia repeatedly, he did not make repetitive errors regarding the basic relationship between Iran and Al-Qaeda (hint: they hate each other), nor was he only able to retrieve his slip when somebody whispered in his ear during a public event to, as it proves, no avail since he continues making the same error…that’s all J. McCain’s.</p>
<p>Sunni and Shia are relatively easy to mix up when speaking. It doesn’t mean the speaker doesn’t know that of which he speaks. McCain certainly does know the difference between the two groups, you can be sure. Ask yourself why you insist in insisting that McCain is a Pinhead, against all evidence to the contrary. Is it because you’re so partisan as to be incapable of even momentary objectivity?</p>
<p>Easy to mix up even after you’ve been publically humiliated for doing so? Don’t you think that you would perhaps try harder if such was the case? I think it’s an excellent indicator that McCain has learned it wrong and now can’t change.</p>